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by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:53 pm

We had a manager who had a track record of winning and it blew up in our faces.
By the way can someone remind me what Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish or for that matter Evans won before they became our manager?

by **bigmick** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:46 pm

LADS, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPARING MANAGERS FFS.

The thread is about we set up etc. Doesn't anybody at all want to talk about football any more?

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:51 pm

bigmick wrote:LADS, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPARING MANAGERS FFS.

The thread is about we set up etc. Doesn't anybody at all want to talk about football any more?

Youre right
Sorry
I believe we will set up differently because Roy will play people in their correct positions and try to play his strongest team consistently

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:11 pm

Which players need to play in their correct position and what is their correct position ?

Who are we talking about ?

People have already been we dont need a left back cause agger can play there ? Thats not his correct position

People were saying Luke Young could of been a decent buy to play left back ? Thats not his correct position ?

Is it gerrard who people should say should drop back into midfield yet he has been at his world class best when he hasnt played there ?

by **red till i die!!** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:19 pm

so far there doesent seem to be too much of a difference in playing styles.
but again we have only played 3 matches and neither was exciting,i put this down to the selection of players he has at his disposal.
you can only really start to judge when the league starts and we settle on a first team and begin to see how they line up.
i honestly dont think roy is suddenly going to become an ultra attacking manager where he is going to throw everything out for a win,imo i expect us to be similar to last year,persisting with 1 up front 90% of the time home and away and with 2 holding midfielders.i also expect him to drop the zonal marking and although we pretty much have the same team i do think they will perform better.
this is how it looks at the moment anyway and apart from cole we havent adressed any of the areas we needed to from last summer.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:24 pm

Why do you think he will drop the zonal marking mate when he has used it for years ?

by **red till i die!!** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:39 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Why do you think he will drop the zonal marking mate when he has used it for years ?

he has used it for years but only on set pieces,i still think this will remain but overall he will give more players a free run going forward and not restrict the whole team.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:44 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why do you think he will drop the zonal marking mate when he has used it for years ?

he has used it for years but only on set pieces,i still think this will remain but overall he will give more players a free run going forward and not restrict the whole team.

Zonal marking is only ever used on set pieces mate ? . As for freedom and free flowing football I'm not sure where the idea of that has come from as Hodgson as never been that type of manager - he sets his teams up to be solid throughout with a strong defensive base and a big man up front .

by **bigmick** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:47 pm

It's not trying to guess what he's going to do either. It's not picking at his record, and saying that in Sweden he did this, and at Fulham he did that. We've done all that sh!t time and again. This is a thread which is supposed to different to that, it's talking about what he has done at Liverpool so far.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:50 pm

So far nothing is different and it wont be at least until the season started - last night was no different to previous years - we had a solid bank of four , two sat in front , two guys out wide , one guy up front and one guy supporting him - the style of play looked no different .

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:52 pm

And what he did previously at clubs is going to have a big bearing to what he will do with us - he has his formulas and tried and tested methods - he is certainly not going to suddenly change everything after being the say way for nearly 30 years

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:53 pm

bigmick wrote:LADS, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPARING MANAGERS FFS.

The thread is about we set up etc. Doesn't anybody at all want to talk about football any more?

Fair enough, mate, if that's how you'd like the discussion to unfold but you're surely going to invite comparisons when you give a thread title like "Roy's Liverpool/Rafa's Liverpool"?

FWIW, I think that any discussion of player selections, tactics, use of subs etc. this season (in short, any proper football discussion) is going to invite at least an implicit comparison between Roy and Rafa. How could they not? So, to try and steer clear of the comparisons and make out like no one should be mentioning Rafa anymore is, IMHO, a non-starter.

So, can we make sensible comparisons that spur genuine footy discussion rather than dredge up all the old pro/anti animosity? Time will tell, I guess, but I think it will require more effort and tact than we've been seeing of late. Whether it's the oft-repeated 'woy' joke or the up-and-coming 'stick-on goatee' jibe there's obviously been lots of not-so-subtle efforts made to wind others up. Unless we cut that stuff out, though, we're going to have a desperately difficult time getting onto some real football debate. I hope we can, though--this thread's got loads of potential for discussion as the season unfolds.

by **bigmick** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:01 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:LADS, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPARING MANAGERS FFS.

The thread is about we set up etc. Doesn't anybody at all want to talk about football any more?

Fair enough, mate, if that's how you'd like the discussion to unfold but you're surely going to invite comparisons when you give a thread title like "Roy's Liverpool/Rafa's Liverpool"?

FWIW, I think that any discussion of player selections, tactics, use of subs etc. this season (in short, any proper football discussion) is going to invite at least an implicit comparison between Roy and Rafa. How could they not? So, to try and steer clear of the comparisons and make out like no one should be mentioning Rafa anymore is, IMHO, a non-starter.

So, can we make sensible comparisons that spur genuine footy discussion rather than dredge up all the old pro/anti animosity? Time will tell, I guess, but I think it will require more effort and tact than we've been seeing of late. Whether it's the oft-repeated 'woy' joke or the up-and-coming 'stick-on goatee' jibe there's obviously been lots of not-so-subtle efforts made to wind others up. Unless we cut that stuff out, though, we're going to have a desperately difficult time getting onto some real football debate. I hope we can, though--this thread's got loads of potential for discussion as the season unfolds.

Fair enough Bob. The stick on goatee was only in response to yet another thread going the same way as the others though. I defy anyone to read the opening post on the topic and tell me it was a wind up or trying to provoke anyone. It's utter nonsense, I simply wanted to talk about football and to give us a reference point to return to as things evolve through the season.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:14 pm

bigmick wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:LADS, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPARING MANAGERS FFS.

The thread is about we set up etc. Doesn't anybody at all want to talk about football any more?

Fair enough, mate, if that's how you'd like the discussion to unfold but you're surely going to invite comparisons when you give a thread title like "Roy's Liverpool/Rafa's Liverpool"?

FWIW, I think that any discussion of player selections, tactics, use of subs etc. this season (in short, any proper football discussion) is going to invite at least an implicit comparison between Roy and Rafa. How could they not? So, to try and steer clear of the comparisons and make out like no one should be mentioning Rafa anymore is, IMHO, a non-starter.

So, can we make sensible comparisons that spur genuine footy discussion rather than dredge up all the old pro/anti animosity? Time will tell, I guess, but I think it will require more effort and tact than we've been seeing of late. Whether it's the oft-repeated 'woy' joke or the up-and-coming 'stick-on goatee' jibe there's obviously been lots of not-so-subtle efforts made to wind others up. Unless we cut that stuff out, though, we're going to have a desperately difficult time getting onto some real football debate. I hope we can, though--this thread's got loads of potential for discussion as the season unfolds.

Fair enough Bob. The stick on goatee was only in response to yet another thread going the same way as the others though. I defy anyone to read the opening post on the topic and tell me it was a wind up or trying to provoke anyone. It's utter nonsense, I simply wanted to talk about football and to give us a reference point to return to as things evolve through the season.

The thread going the same way as others ?

I think you should once again look at yourself - two posters replied that they thought it was a bit early to judge yet on the set up of the team and YOU replied and started mentioning goatees - so who derailed the thread ?

Simple answer - YOU

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:27 pm

fivecups wrote:
andy_g wrote:well, it *could* have been an interesting thread if people hadn't retreated to the trenches so quickly

Completely agree Andy. It was a good footballing OP by Mick. I 'got' the point of the thread and thought it was quite interesting. Rafa favoured 4-5-1 (1 or 2 holding midfielders, a man in the 'hole' behind the lone striker) will Roy do the same? Did he do the same in our first competitive match? It merits discussion, and I agree with Mick, largely he did (although I want to watch the match properly when lfc.tv show it).

Some people didn't 'get it' immediately, fair enough but then the thread suddenly becomes about Rafa and gets completely derailed? ? No real need for it and TBH Mick you got so wound up so quickly and started dangling hooks for people that you ruined your own thread. You want a footballing thread then just clarify the reason for the thread to people and respond to the football posts. No need to wind people up saying things like 'Let it go Bav' etc.

Spot on analysis, IMO. The thread opener was a good one, in that it stimulated a new direction for footy discussion and offered lots of room for future developments on an evolving topic.

Of course, there will ALWAYS be one or two (or twelve) smart-a.rses who take the p!ss out of Mick for getting his thoughts on a subject out early. By now, we should all recognize that that stuff is a permanent feature of page 1 of any "I know it's early..." thread. In this case, Mick, I think you missed an opportunity to just let that predictable stuff slide by and now things have unraveled slightly.

No matter...this thread will likely hover in a holding pattern until a few more games have been played and we start to see how Roy really likes to set the team up. Then we can give this discussion a :bump

and get deep into the whys and wherefores. :cool:

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