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Postby 7_Kewell » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:45 am

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7_Kewell wrote:I wouldn’t mind the billions of YANKS OUT posts so much, if it wasn’t for the fact that 99% of what is posted is pure conjecture.

That’s why this (and a couple of other) forums have turned into a bitterfest. EVERY SINGLE THREAD is filled with YANKS OUT...LIARS...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. If it isn’t that, then it’s doom and gloom merchants saying the world is going to end.

Yes, we get it! Yes, we all want them out, and yes, it is important. But for fecks sake, why must we get it all day, all night. It’s like a fecking broken record. How about keep the owner slagging restricted to the takeover thread? 

That way, we can have FOOTBALL discussions in all of the others. We can also have POSITIVE news...like the prospect of getting Joe Cole for free.

Have you had your head up your hole the past few years? The Yanks are liars. That's a proven fact. Nothing conjecture about it. They hired a man who's sole intents and purposes were to find us new owners, or so they'd have us believe, but instead this so called banker is now running transferes in and out of the club and is sacking people? What about the spade in the ground within 40 days or something like that. What about the big wonga spending spree they've been promising the past three years. They talk as much sh*te as anyone on this forum, yet you're not going to question the sincerities of any of their intentions pertaining to this football club?

I agree with what Igor says. I can't remember the last time I spoke to anyone about LFC and it was just about football on the day. Everytime there's a conversation about this club with fans of other teams, the Yanks are always at the forefront of the conversation.

Hang on,what are you doing here? A little while ago you said would give up following LFC is Hodgson was put in charge! :laugh:

My point is we KNOW. WE KNOW THEY LIE, WE KNOW THE :censored: THEY SAID ABOUT BUILDING THE NEW GROUND...thing is, nothing new is ever said. It's the same old sh!te, week in, week out. The conjecture is mainly in regards to the state of the club and player sales.  No one here knows how things are behind the scenes. No one here knows how much money roy does.doesn't have.
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Postby sgs » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:34 am

Peeps here want to move on to talking football, formations, players, etc...

It has to be absolutely amazing...There are those here who will never get it!

What is b/4 all LFC supporters is a fight for the very life of our club. Results, good or bad, formations, players, etc is so far down the line it is ridiculous for anyone to even think of it in any manner resembling priority...
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:15 am

sgs wrote:Peeps here want to move on to talking football, formations, players, etc...

It has to be absolutely amazing...There are those here who will never get it!

What is b/4 all LFC supporters is a fight for the very life of our club. Results, good or bad, formations, players, etc is so far down the line it is ridiculous for anyone to even think of it in any manner resembling priority...

So what are we meant to do then?  Lock all the threads except the ownership thread and each take turns railing about the way the club is being run?  Obviously, there's a need to talk about the goings on in the boardroom and to rally support behind efforts to get the Yanks and the bankers out of Anfield but we wouldn't be much of a discussion board if that was all we were about.  Surely we should leave some room for discussing football itself?  And surely those that choose to do so cannot simply be dismissed as saddos that just don't get it?  While I respect all those that feel like they want to exclusively focus their attention and energies on the board room situation I know that there's quite a few top quality posters on here that don't mind picking over the merits and deficiencies of a 3-5-2 formation every now and again.  The beauty of this place is that it doesn't have to be one or the other--it can be both...
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Postby The Good Yank » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:09 am

Very well said Bob.  I'd like to say that there isn't a morning I wake up and log onto this board in hopes that there is some sort of development regarding Hicks and Gillete selling the club.  I dearly hope for it every day.  I think we are all along the same thought process in that regard.

BTW 3-5-2?  are you fricking high?
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Postby J*o*n*D*o*e » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:51 am

good post Igor mate but once again its wasted on this place, the opening post is strange in that it goes on about the way things are around here lately then when its pointed out a reason behind it they dont want to discuss it.

some of us and i mean some of us actually see whats going on, football atm comes a sad second to whats happening behind the scenes at the club and thats how it needs to be if where ever going to get rid of these people, dont worry about Roy getting support because once the season starts he will but there are issues far far greater that needs us all to get behind.

it says it all about this place when the biggest issue around here recently was the manager getting called woy.

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Postby boodiddy1 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:09 am

7_Kewell wrote:I wouldn’t mind the billions of YANKS OUT posts so much, if it wasn’t for the fact that 99% of what is posted is pure conjecture.

That’s why this (and a couple of other) forums have turned into a bitterfest. EVERY SINGLE THREAD is filled with YANKS OUT...LIARS...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. If it isn’t that, then it’s doom and gloom merchants saying the world is going to end.

Yes, we get it! Yes, we all want them out, and yes, it is important. But for fecks sake, why must we get it all day, all night. It’s like a fecking broken record. How about keep the owner slagging restricted to the takeover thread? 

That way, we can have FOOTBALL discussions in all of the others. We can also have POSITIVE news...like the prospect of getting Joe Cole for free.

Pure honesty, nailed it!

A footballing thread is one that gives you hope. We all know whats happening upstairs and in the cities, but put that elsewhere.

Footballing topic with LFC involved?? How refreshing!!
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:46 am

Emerald Red wrote:Have you had your head up your hole the past few years? The Yanks are liars. That's a proven fact.

I made it as far as here. It's not so much the sentiment (although the head up the hole comment was hardly necessary) it's the tone I can't be bothered with.

We know the "yanks are liars", and we know "it's a proven fact".

I have a question of my own (and I genuinely don't know the answer). Why is it that people who were massively supportive of the the previous manager are generally the ones who wish to discuss the potential and current ownership of the club all the time?
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:00 am

I'm guessing they see it as the most important thing to do with our club currently and see them as something that needs done about and quickly - the club is in a very very dangerous situation both off and on he field at the moment and for some at the moment there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel - now im pretty sure the people that backed previous manager will support current manager - I know I will - he will get that support every day he is Liverpool manager .
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Postby Redangel » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:12 am

I can agree with a  lot that has been written on both sides of the argument. I just feel torn ! I realise the position the club is in is dire , I want the yanks gone and new owners who will care about the club not just the money ( we can dream can't we  ).
What I can't do is just forget the football and not be bothered whether we win or lose.
I've supported this team for over 45 years and come the first match against Arsenal I will be overjoyed if we win , and devastated if we lose.
How will the players feel if they think that fans only care about getting rid of the owners and don't care about the team.
It's not the players fault or Roy's. They deserve our full support.

Getting rid of the owners is a priority, but so is supporting the team. Surely we can do both !  :buttrock
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Postby andy_g » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:48 am

what would help the forum immensely would be if certain posters would find a way to respond to something they disagree with that didn't involve hysterics and ridiculous accusations. for example, the already cited protest kit thread; just because someone doesn't approve 100% of the design of the shirt and has reservations about the message it might convey it doesn't mean that that person doesn't give a shíte about the ownership situation or is sitting on their a'rse doing nothing about it. the amount of knee-jerking in any thread that mentions the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse (i.e. all of them) is the sole destroyer of the forum, and some people need to engage their brains a little bit more.

this forum has and is doing its part in the efforts to change the situation at our club. from igor's excellent efforts to raise awareness of sos and to encourage others to join, to the people that have forwarded on the petition and letter writing details from rawk and other sources.
so we buy the shirt if we believe in it (i don't but many do and so the best of luck to them), we sign the petitions, we send the letters, if we live close enough ( i don't but many do and so the best of luck to them) we go on the marches, the rallies and the demos. this forum is behind the awareness that most of us have about these events and actions.

so just about all of us are agreed about the need to rid the club of its cancer. we know that purslow and broughton are doing damaging things that are way beyond their original remit and need to go as urgently as the americans. whether the actions of these people had an effect on the actual footballing performances on the field last season is debatable, but that doesn't mean the debate can't be intelligently carried out. i admire the passion of igor, red beergoggles, ciggs and nan, and i don't think it is any coincidence that they are all native scousers, but i don't think it is necessary to assume that those of us that don't bang the drum so fervently are any less concerned or any less active about the burning issues at hand.
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Postby NANNY RED » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:01 am

Redangel wrote:I can agree with a  lot that has been written on both sides of the argument. I just feel torn ! I realise the position the club is in is dire , I want the yanks gone and new owners who will care about the club not just the money ( we can dream can't we  ).
What I can't do is just forget the football and not be bothered whether we win or lose.
I've supported this team for over 45 years and come the first match against Arsenal I will be overjoyed if we win , and devastated if we lose.
How will the players feel if they think that fans only care about getting rid of the owners and don't care about the team.
It's not the players fault or Roy's. They deserve our full support.

Getting rid of the owners is a priority, but so is supporting the team. Surely we can do both !  :buttrock

And both will be done, (god i sound like im quoting the bilble here ) :laugh: Its a given that on the opening day of the season well even in the friendlies  team and manager will be supported  100 per cent,

And in answer to Micks question. the previous manager has got nothing to do with me and id presume others who post about them two, , We still showed our hatred for them when he was here , doesnt  matter who the previous manager was or who the manager is now , or who the manager will be in three years ,but them two are top of the agenda.

Say we get taken over by who ever, even if it a fan share issue who ever runs this club if they are not running the club properly will be called into account, Bob Piasley could of been the manager while they have been here and my feelings would still have been the same.
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Postby thegreedo » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:41 am

There is a lot of ranting and raving that goes on on this site as a result of somebody reacting too preciously to the comments of another poster. How about, instead of wasting the time it takes for some witty repost that serves to do nothing but deteriorate tread after thread we use the time to get on the SOS website get joined up and the make some posts about some direct action ideas. It would be really nice to see some constructive posts on here instead of the current endless mud slinging.
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Postby Scottbot » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:46 am

andy_g wrote:what would help the forum immensely would be if certain posters would find a way to respond to something they disagree with that didn't involve hysterics and ridiculous accusations. for example, the already cited protest kit thread; just because someone doesn't approve 100% of the design of the shirt and has reservations about the message it might convey it doesn't mean that that person doesn't give a shíte about the ownership situation or is sitting on their a'rse doing nothing about it. the amount of knee-jerking in any thread that mentions the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse (i.e. all of them) is the sole destroyer of the forum, and some people need to engage their brains a little bit more.

this forum has and is doing its part in the efforts to change the situation at our club. from igor's excellent efforts to raise awareness of sos and to encourage others to join, to the people that have forwarded on the petition and letter writing details from rawk and other sources.
so we buy the shirt if we believe in it (i don't but many do and so the best of luck to them), we sign the petitions, we send the letters, if we live close enough ( i don't but many do and so the best of luck to them) we go on the marches, the rallies and the demos. this forum is behind the awareness that most of us have about these events and actions.

so just about all of us are agreed about the need to rid the club of its cancer. we know that purslow and broughton are doing damaging things that are way beyond their original remit and need to go as urgently as the americans. whether the actions of these people had an effect on the actual footballing performances on the field last season is debatable, but that doesn't mean the debate can't be intelligently carried out. i admire the passion of igor, red beergoggles, ciggs and nan, and i don't think it is any coincidence that they are all native scousers, but i don't think it is necessary to assume that those of us that don't bang the drum so fervently are any less concerned or any less active about the burning issues at hand.

That's a Top post dude.

My thoughts are:

- I don't think posters are flippant or unaware of the ownership issues but I do think that many do not believe that there is anything they (or SOS) can do to really influence the situation. I think that this can get misconstrued as 'they don't care' but I don't think that is the case.

- Too much water has gone under the bridge in this place so far as arguments, personal spats and the need to defend/attack certain viewpoints is so prevailent now it's untrue. It's got to the point where if someone puts up a post, you've figured out who will reply (and in what manner) before it's even happened.

- I do think it will get better once the football starts.
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Postby Scottbot » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:48 am

thegreedo wrote:There is a lot of ranting and raving that goes on on this site as a result of somebody reacting too preciously to the comments of another poster.

Ideally you'd like to think posters would be a lot quicker to employ the 'ignore' function. It would straighten this place in a big way I think.
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Postby Paul C » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:49 am

I do think that people have changed on this forum but I'm not going to start accusing people of not loving LFC, I just think that people have become very depressed and let down by the recent actions of the club, we need to get over Rafa leaving and all this :censored: thats going on and talk about the players and what is going to happen on the pitch, we have one thread dedicated to the owners and take over talk so keep it to that thread and don't let it overflow into other threads. :;):
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