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by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:57 am

bigmick wrote:The Riera "incident" with Pacheco shouldn't have been sorted out by the previous management because he shouldn't have got involved in it. The captain and Carra should have been pulling Riera to one side and having a wee word in his shell-like. I don't care what the rights and wrongs of it were, you don't as a grown man pick on a kid who's seven stone dripping wet and about 16 years old. I'm assuming that the kid didn't have it coming for fecking about, otherwise the manager wouldn't have got involved.

It's about time we had some real leaders in the squad showing some real leadership. Riera should have been informed in no uncertainterms that if he wanted to go around slapping people, he should pick on somebody his own size.

If he did it for nothing then he should have been whacked himself. If the kid deserved it then so be it.

by **Waldo** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:18 pm

I think the key issue Roy will have is the amount of time he has to work with the full squad before the season kicks off. With so many players still at the WC and so many on holiday following the WC then he is playing a bit of a waiting game to a) Establish what he has to work with and b) Mould that into a team capable of getting us (him) off to a good start.

I would like to see Roy deploy either a 4-2-3-1 formation. If you think about the forward or forward thinking midfielders we have in Gerrard, Jovanovic, Babel, Kuyt, Lucas, Aquilani and Pacheco we have an abundance of options going forward.

On the assumption that Mascherano will go during this transfer window then that will leave us needing 2 'spoilers' in the middle of the park (Discount Lucas as that is not his game and if we are to see the best of him then he has to play in a more advanced role) and I would see names like Scott Parker, Cambiasso/Muntari (possibly part of Mascha transfer if he goes to Inter), Javi Martinez being possible targets.

Of course a HUGE part of this formation relies on Fernando being fit and available every week.

by **Tim LFC** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:41 pm

The criticism for Lucas is unreal! He's another player who has been played out of position he's not even a CDM yet has had to play there and he has done his job superbly, his role wasn't to run forward and create goals, it was breaking up attacks he's done that. His tackling has come on leaps and bounds, but he's an attacking player, not a defensive one. If Roy utilises him in a more attacking role he will really show his ability, his ability hasn't been showcased because Rafa told him to stop the opposition and he's done that, you can't complain if that's his orders!

by **The Raven** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:14 pm

Tim LFC wrote:The criticism for Lucas is unreal! He's another player who has been played out of position he's not even a CDM yet has had to play there and he has done his job superbly, his role wasn't to run forward and create goals, it was breaking up attacks he's done that. His tackling has come on leaps and bounds, but he's an attacking player, not a defensive one. If Roy utilises him in a more attacking role he will really show his ability, his ability hasn't been showcased because Rafa told him to stop the opposition and he's done that, you can't complain if that's his orders!

Spot on.

Look at the player he was before he came to us, i hope he is allowed to go back to being an attacking mid.

by **Waldo** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:18 pm

The Raven wrote:
Tim LFC wrote:The criticism for Lucas is unreal! He's another player who has been played out of position he's not even a CDM yet has had to play there and he has done his job superbly, his role wasn't to run forward and create goals, it was breaking up attacks he's done that. His tackling has come on leaps and bounds, but he's an attacking player, not a defensive one. If Roy utilises him in a more attacking role he will really show his ability, his ability hasn't been showcased because Rafa told him to stop the opposition and he's done that, you can't complain if that's his orders!

Spot on.

Look at the player he was before he came to us, i hope he is allowed to go back to being an attacking mid.

I 2nd that :buttrock

Or is that a 3rd

by **Waldo** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:28 pm

Here is a novel idea :idea

It appears that Roy wants to being in some home grown players; which I wholeheartedly support. Man City appear to be looking to offload fringe players to free up wages (although why I don't know as they are minted) they have an abundance of midfielders some of whom I think would do a job for us.

How about we sell Mascherano to Inter for £25m and then approach City with a view to signing SWP, Steven Ireland (I bang on about this kid but I think he has the potential to be class) and also Gareth Barry. Man City have just bought Yaya Toure and already have De Yong in CM. At 28/29 Barry ain't going to be happy to sit on the bench. I know many on here will be totally against Barry but I believe he wanted to come to us but we were outbid by City and never had the option to talk to him. OK he had a very ordinary world cup but as a spoiler in CM he would do a great job for us and offer balance to our team. SWP would offer some genuine width to the squad and I think he is another who needs a run of games and a father figure of a manager.

The other 'spoiler' I would've liked to see at Anfield is Lorik Cana but he's just signed for Galatasaray.

by **Tim LFC** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:01 pm

Waldo wrote:Here is a novel idea

It appears that Roy wants to being in some home grown players; which I wholeheartedly support. Man City appear to be looking to offload fringe players to free up wages (although why I don't know as they are minted) they have an abundance of midfielders some of whom I think would do a job for us.

How about we sell Mascherano to Inter for £25m and then approach City with a view to signing SWP, Steven Ireland (I bang on about this kid but I think he has the potential to be class) and also Gareth Barry. Man City have just bought Yaya Toure and already have De Yong in CM. At 28/29 Barry ain't going to be happy to sit on the bench. I know many on here will be totally against Barry but I believe he wanted to come to us but we were outbid by City and never had the option to talk to him. OK he had a very ordinary world cup but as a spoiler in CM he would do a great job for us and offer balance to our team. SWP would offer some genuine width to the squad and I think he is another who needs a run of games and a father figure of a manager.

The other 'spoiler' I would've liked to see at Anfield is Lorik Cana but he's just signed for Galatasaray.

I like this! Ireland is a very good shout for especially. Barry would solidify our midfield, adding a bit of steel, it would also keep Gerrard at Liverpool as there meant to be good mates? SWP i'm not so sure he's just so inconsistent i would rather spend the money on arda or let a youngster in. But if he's cheap and can come of the bench then i'd be happy with that. Another one for is Micah Richards and Michael Johnson. I heard Michael Johnson has had some troubles but surely taking the risk isn't so bad?

by **Owzat** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:41 am

Waldo wrote:Here is a novel idea

It appears that Roy wants to being in some home grown players; which I wholeheartedly support. Man City appear to be looking to offload fringe players to free up wages (although why I don't know as they are minted) they have an abundance of midfielders some of whom I think would do a job for us.

How about we sell Mascherano to Inter for £25m and then approach City with a view to signing SWP, Steven Ireland (I bang on about this kid but I think he has the potential to be class) and also Gareth Barry. Man City have just bought Yaya Toure and already have De Yong in CM. At 28/29 Barry ain't going to be happy to sit on the bench. I know many on here will be totally against Barry but I believe he wanted to come to us but we were outbid by City and never had the option to talk to him. OK he had a very ordinary world cup but as a spoiler in CM he would do a great job for us and offer balance to our team. SWP would offer some genuine width to the squad and I think he is another who needs a run of games and a father figure of a manager.

The other 'spoiler' I would've liked to see at Anfield is Lorik Cana but he's just signed for Galatasaray.

A quick way to blow any budget is start thinking "I must buy homegrown players", you will get taken to the cleaners.

Keep an eye open for them, bosman frees are a good way to assemble cheap homegrown talent. You know, sign the odd Joe Cole or Michael Owen on a free.

If a citeh player did become available at a reasonable price then fair enough, but only the right player and the right price. I somehow severely doubt gossip suggesting SWP will be available for less than £10m, or people who think we might just shop at COMS like it is Oxfam's online store. As if they'd sign players at a big cost then sell them off cheaply to RIVALS for top four places.

by **Tim LFC** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:52 pm

Owzat wrote:
Waldo wrote:Here is a novel idea

It appears that Roy wants to being in some home grown players; which I wholeheartedly support. Man City appear to be looking to offload fringe players to free up wages (although why I don't know as they are minted) they have an abundance of midfielders some of whom I think would do a job for us.

How about we sell Mascherano to Inter for £25m and then approach City with a view to signing SWP, Steven Ireland (I bang on about this kid but I think he has the potential to be class) and also Gareth Barry. Man City have just bought Yaya Toure and already have De Yong in CM. At 28/29 Barry ain't going to be happy to sit on the bench. I know many on here will be totally against Barry but I believe he wanted to come to us but we were outbid by City and never had the option to talk to him. OK he had a very ordinary world cup but as a spoiler in CM he would do a great job for us and offer balance to our team. SWP would offer some genuine width to the squad and I think he is another who needs a run of games and a father figure of a manager.

The other 'spoiler' I would've liked to see at Anfield is Lorik Cana but he's just signed for Galatasaray.

A quick way to blow any budget is start thinking "I must buy homegrown players", you will get taken to the cleaners.

Keep an eye open for them, bosman frees are a good way to assemble cheap homegrown talent. You know, sign the odd Joe Cole or Michael Owen on a free.

If a citeh player did become available at a reasonable price then fair enough, but only the right player and the right price. I somehow severely doubt gossip suggesting SWP will be available for less than £10m, or people who think we might just shop at COMS like it is Oxfam's online store. As if they'd sign players at a big cost then sell them off cheaply to RIVALS for top four places.

I agree, but City also might not care considering there arrogance in thinking they've signed better players. Nothing can be guaranteed by who city sign, so it might come and bite them back in the :censored:

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by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:24 am

I think his new signings will really show us what style of football he wants the team to play...

by **Owzat** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:49 am

Tim LFC wrote:I agree, but City also might not care considering there arrogance in thinking they've signed better players. Nothing can be guaranteed by who city sign, so it might come and bite them back in the !

I don't think they can be arrogant. Not sure what to make of it but they resigned keeper Taylor nine days after releasing him! Everyone talks about them just signing, signing and signing players, but things like this happen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8807805.stm

I'll believe citeh will a) sell players to rivals and b) at a budget price when I see it. If they can afford to sell players on the cheap then why sell them to rivals? And why would they not want to sell Robinho for a reported £16.7m when they want rid?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport....as.html

Hardly what you'd expect from a club not worried about money, an opportunity to recoup half what they paid and not sell to a rival. Can't see them getting more than £20m, none of the top English clubs are likely to want him, Spanish giants likewise and few others are likely to be able to afford him if they wanted him.

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