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by **Owzat** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:27 am

New managers quite often bring players in from their old club. Here's a little exercise in going through the Fulham squad, as per wikipedia at the moment, and categorising thus :

Too old
Don't want
Cr ap
Useful
Want
Pull strings Woy

Feel free to use more than one eg Schwarzer = don't want, too old

Fulham Squad (position and age in brackets)

Stockdale (GK 24)
Schwarzer (GK 37)
Zuberbuhler (GK 39)

Kelly (RB 26)
Paintsil (RB 29)
Stoor (RB 26)
Baird (RB/DF 28)
Hughes (DF 30)
Konchesky (LB 29)
Hangeland (CB 29)
Senderos (CB 25) - ineligible I believe as signed June 2010

Etuhu (DM 28)
Dikagacoi (DM/CM 25)
Duff (WG 31)
Dempsey (WG/CF 27)
Davies (RM 30)
Greening (LM 31) - ineligible I believe as signed permanently in 2010
Riise (MF 27)
Gera (MF 31)
Murphy (MF 33)

A.Johnson (CF 29)
E.Johnson (CF 26)
Kamara (CF 29)
Zamora (CF 29)
Elm (CF 27)

Only three players listed in their 1st team squad are 25 or under. Beware the ex-bitters, there are one or two skulking in among the Fulham squad. Shame Duff is the wrong side of 30 or he'd be a useful acquisition. If only Houllier had gone for him instead of Kewell....................

by **Redman in wales** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:15 am

Want:

Hangeland (CB 29)

Dont want:

Stockdale (GK 24)
Schwarzer (GK 37)
Zuberbuhler (GK 39)

Kelly (RB 26)
Paintsil (RB 29)
Stoor (RB 26)
Baird (RB/DF 28)
Hughes (DF 30)
Konchesky (LB 29)
Senderos (CB 25)

Etuhu (DM 28)
Dikagacoi (DM/CM 25)
Duff (WG 31)
Dempsey (WG/CF 27)
Davies (RM 30)
Greening (LM 31)
Riise (MF 27)
Gera (MF 31)
Murphy (MF 33)

A.Johnson (CF 29)
E.Johnson (CF 26)
Kamara (CF 29)
Zamora (CF 29)
Elm (CF 27)

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:22 am

It's so sad to read that 1st post and then look at the 2 squads for tomorrows final and see how many of those were signed by Rafa Benitez.

Id only take Hangeland, the rest are tripe and nowhere near good enough for LFC. If Hodgsen intends to last more than a season he will probably be thinking the same.

by **Aussie Style** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:52 am

Thankfully Roy has already stated he won't be bringing any Fulham players with him.

by **Owzat** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:23 am

Hangeland is the one most rated, but even then he is 29 and not exactly young so is that such a wide move given his reputation and value to Fulham as a pivotal player will push the asking price up? In an ideal world you don't want to be signing players much past their 27th birthday, that means you could/should get a good 3-5 years out of them. On that basis it is slim pickings indeed, Stockdale, Kelly, Stoor, Dikagacoi and E.Johnson which ain't a whole lot of quality

A pleasant and refreshing surprise Woy isn't going to go back to Fulham, some decent journeymen that can do a job ata club like that but not here. Shame Souness didn't realise the same when he came back to Anfield and brought some rubbish with him. On the flip side, find me a man(ager) who'd come to a new job and not want it to be HIS squad and who is comfortable outside his comfort zone, the known and trusted tend to be where we look first.

What always worries me when people start talking about bringing in managers like Woy who have managed at moderate clubs and whose success is measured with much lower expectations, is whether they know the next market up. That is to say giving a manager say £10m to spend in a summer reduces their options so they bargain hunt, but if you then give him £30m-£40m how does he adapt to that shift in focus? Sure we'd like him to seek out bargains, but bargains of a different kind. Last thing we really want is him seeking out say Wigan or brum players who he admired and wanted at Fulham but maybe were just out of his price range, or didn't want to go to Fulham, which is no better than him having signed them there and then bring them here.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:59 am

Owzat wrote:Hangeland is the one most rated, but even then he is 29 and not exactly young so is that such a wide move given his reputation and value to Fulham as a pivotal player will push the asking price up? In an ideal world you don't want to be signing players much past their 27th birthday, that means you could/should get a good 3-5 years out of them. On that basis it is slim pickings indeed, Stockdale, Kelly, Stoor, Dikagacoi and E.Johnson which ain't a whole lot of quality

A pleasant and refreshing surprise Woy isn't going to go back to Fulham, some decent journeymen that can do a job ata club like that but not here. Shame Souness didn't realise the same when he came back to Anfield and brought some rubbish with him. On the flip side, find me a man(ager) who'd come to a new job and not want it to be HIS squad and who is comfortable outside his comfort zone, the known and trusted tend to be where we look first.

What always worries me when people start talking about bringing in managers like Woy who have managed at moderate clubs and whose success is measured with much lower expectations, is whether they know the next market up. That is to say giving a manager say £10m to spend in a summer reduces their options so they bargain hunt, but if you then give him £30m-£40m how does he adapt to that shift in focus? Sure we'd like him to seek out bargains, but bargains of a different kind. Last thing we really want is him seeking out say Wigan or brum players who he admired and wanted at Fulham but maybe were just out of his price range, or didn't want to go to Fulham, which is no better than him having signed them there and then bring them here.

Owzat
Could you stop ferring to our new manager as "Woy" please?
Its disrespectful and offensive.
Thanks

by **bigmick** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:30 pm

At the likely prices which would be quoted, I wouldn't take any of them. Far though from filling me with dread of the type of player Roy has signed in the past, when I look at that squad it fills me with hope as to what he could do with good players. If anybody had showed you that squad two years ago you would have bet money on Fulham battling relegation for two seasons, and that's if they survived the first. As it was, they finished seventh the season before last, and were confortably above any relegation zones last season, as well as reaching a European final.

Like I say when you look at the squad, it really brings home what an absolutely remarkable job Roy Hodgson did there.

by **fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:38 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Owzat wrote:Hangeland is the one most rated, but even then he is 29 and not exactly young so is that such a wide move given his reputation and value to Fulham as a pivotal player will push the asking price up? In an ideal world you don't want to be signing players much past their 27th birthday, that means you could/should get a good 3-5 years out of them. On that basis it is slim pickings indeed, Stockdale, Kelly, Stoor, Dikagacoi and E.Johnson which ain't a whole lot of quality

A pleasant and refreshing surprise Woy isn't going to go back to Fulham, some decent journeymen that can do a job ata club like that but not here. Shame Souness didn't realise the same when he came back to Anfield and brought some rubbish with him. On the flip side, find me a man(ager) who'd come to a new job and not want it to be HIS squad and who is comfortable outside his comfort zone, the known and trusted tend to be where we look first.

What always worries me when people start talking about bringing in managers like Woy who have managed at moderate clubs and whose success is measured with much lower expectations, is whether they know the next market up. That is to say giving a manager say £10m to spend in a summer reduces their options so they bargain hunt, but if you then give him £30m-£40m how does he adapt to that shift in focus? Sure we'd like him to seek out bargains, but bargains of a different kind. Last thing we really want is him seeking out say Wigan or brum players who he admired and wanted at Fulham but maybe were just out of his price range, or didn't want to go to Fulham, which is no better than him having signed them there and then bring them here.

Owzat
Could you stop ferring to our new manager as "Woy" please?
Its disrespectful and offensive.
Thanks

yes stop being such a tw@t

by **mart** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:56 pm

If i'm not mistaken Roy agreed to not buy anyone from Fulham when he left for liverpool.

by **In and Out** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:11 pm

mart wrote:If i'm not mistaken Roy agreed to not buy anyone from Fulham when he left for liverpool.

That's what I though mart.

by **Scottbot** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:39 pm

Hangeland is the only one who really jumps off the page when you look at the Fulham squad but then i've wanted us to sign him for well over a year now.

The only other possibilities for me would be Pantsil at RB who is a handy player and we are very short at RB if Jonno should get injured as he did last year.

The only other slim possibilities would be Schwarzer to come in as back-up to Reina, I'd take him over Cavalieri anyday. Seems very unlikely though. Also, it's hard to argue that Danny Murphy (given the form he was in) would not have not found himself a place in our midfield last season. It's an idea that will probably get mocked but i'd have taken him over Lucas or Aquilani given their performances last season.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:33 pm

I would be very comfortable in arguing the case for Murphy with anyone

Murphy in his time with the Reds was profligate in the extreme sense of the word ,in fact he was the most frustrating player we ever had ,at times Danny could be elegant and decisive whilst playing with real poise ...and on the flip side of the coin he could be recklessly wasteful

its such a shame it was the latter which held the most anxiety for the Kop

as for Lucas well I for one was thankful for his inclusion early in a season that failed to throw up any candidates for merit
Lucas simply played the game the way he was told to and performed it admirably ... however where Aquilani is concerned we simply didn't get to see enough of his obvious ability through the lack of games played

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:44 pm

like someone has already stated, part of the deal to get woy was he didnt take any Fulham players with him, thank fook we got that put in his contract.

by **Tim LFC** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:00 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I would be very comfortable in arguing the case for Murphy with anyone Murphy in his time with the Reds was profligate in the extreme sense of the word ,in fact he was the most frustrating player we ever had ,at times Danny could be elegant and decisive whilst playing with real poise ...and on the flip side of the coin he could be recklessly wasteful
its such a shame it was the latter which held the most anxiety for the Kop
as for Lucas well I for one was thankful for his inclusion early in a season that failed to throw up any candidates for merit
Lucas simply played the game the way he was told to and performed it admirably ... however where Aquilani is concerned we simply didn't get to see enough of his obvious ability through the lack of games played

Whilst i agree with this. I'm pretty certain Lucas and especially Aquilani will show what they've really got. I think Aquilani gives us a lot of hope for this season; he's better then anything Man United have got! Lucas has been adapted into CDM, but i'm sure this season we'll see more of his attacking qualities which he does have. Both Aquilani and Lucas i'm sure are bound to surprise a few fans and pundits for that matter.

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:33 pm

Lucas should be playing further up the pitch but we have Aquilani too so I don't see where he will fit in. And with Mascherano looking like he will go we will probably see Lucas once again playing in the position he is not suited for.

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