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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 am

Owzat wrote:Well if I were rebuilding the squad, working on the imminent departure or likely departures, I'd go with :

GK REINA
RB looking for a relatively cheap one that can defend
LB looking for a relatively cheap one
CB Carragher - but keeping an eye open for a long-term replacement
CM Gerrard
CM Aquilani
CM Lucas - but on the look-out for a good all-round CM
RWF Kuyt
LWF Jovanovic or Babel, whoever shows better form
CF Torres

I'd stick with our basic formation as is, but with the central three not containing an out and out DM. Lucas and Gerrard can tackle and hustle, freeing up Aquilani as playmaker. Lucas and Gerrard can also be quite effective making runs into the box late, if only Lucas had a finish. With better supply and support I think Kuyt and Jovanovic can work as wing forwards, but I'd look for a new striker who can play as CF or WF, like I said about Tevez last year

Interesting to see Xabi having shots for Spain the other night, I see my criticism of his shooting still stands - which is where the ball ends up all too often!

What about Glen johnson?  (out of interest)...

I agree that he is not a good defender but i think he can offer the team something.  i think he might make a good right winger.

I think he is more used to playing in a 5-3-2 system were he could get forward more.
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Postby Waldo » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:52 am

I think Ruiz is being lined up as a replacement for Kuyt.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:52 am

Owzat wrote:Well if I were rebuilding the squad, working on the imminent departure or likely departures, I'd go with :

GK REINA
RB looking for a relatively cheap one that can defend
LB looking for a relatively cheap one
CB Carragher - but keeping an eye open for a long-term replacement
CM Gerrard
CM Aquilani
CM Lucas - but on the look-out for a good all-round CM
RWF Kuyt
LWF Jovanovic or Babel, whoever shows better form
CF Torres

I'd stick with our basic formation as is, but with the central three not containing an out and out DM. Lucas and Gerrard can tackle and hustle, freeing up Aquilani as playmaker. Lucas and Gerrard can also be quite effective making runs into the box late, if only Lucas had a finish. With better supply and support I think Kuyt and Jovanovic can work as wing forwards, but I'd look for a new striker who can play as CF or WF, like I said about Tevez last year

Interesting to see Xabi having shots for Spain the other night, I see my criticism of his shooting still stands - which is where the ball ends up all too often!

Owzat, what are you on??? You only got 10 men.
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Postby Seeing Red » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:13 pm

Assuming that Masch goes, and we buy a striker (that Ruiz kid or someone else), I think Roy will have two obvious options when deciding the shape of the team. He seems like a common sense kind of manager, who I hope will put players in their strongest positions.

                      Reina
Johnson     Carra      Agger      Unknown
          Gerrard            Lucas
    Maxi          Aquilani          Jovanovich
                    Torres

This is what I would do with current squad minus Masch. Hopefully we will sign a decent leftback as I don't think Insua can carry on with the workload of being our sole leftback for another season. I would definitely keep hold of him tho. I think we would benefit from having Stevie in a deeper role, where can he dictate the pace of the game more, and push Aqua up the park (hopefully he will strike up some synergy with Torres in that role). Kuyt and Babel I would keep as subs/rotation, unless there was good reason to sell, i.e having a replacement already lined up.

The other obvious formation is ofcourse a 4-4-2. For this I would take a more attacking approach and drop Lucas to the bench, slide Aquilani back in beside Gerrard in CM, and have Gerrard play the slightly deeper role of the two, although really we wouldn't have a holding mid in this team. Babel/Kuyt/New striker could all strive to be first choice to partner Torres. N'gog I would loan out this season and re-evaluate him after he has had some game time with a lower table club.

                    Reina
Johnson   Carra    Agger     Unknown

Maxi       Aquilani  Gerrard    Jova/Riera

             Torres   Ruiz/Babel
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Postby stmichael » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:17 pm

can't for the life of me see us ever playing gerrard and aquilani in a midfield 2. we'd get completely overrun.
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Postby only me » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:24 pm

I wouls say if he keeps Lucas in the Squad he can F off.
Some of our current players are a Litmus test for any football manager propspects - Lucas and Babel are 2 of them.

Now let's see if Roy passes the test.

I would love to see Riera given a chance.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:50 pm

If kuyt is still with us he will be a starter .
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Postby Fauxy » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:05 pm

only me wrote:I wouls say if he keeps Lucas in the Squad he can F off.
Some of our current players are a Litmus test for any football manager propspects - Lucas and Babel are 2 of them.

Now let's see if Roy passes the test.

I would love to see Riera given a chance.

So Lucas who runs his @ss off for us week in week out you would tell to f.uck off, but the bloke who describes us as a 'sinking ship' you would welcome..?  ???
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Postby only me » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:16 pm

Fauxy wrote:
only me wrote:I wouls say if he keeps Lucas in the Squad he can F off.
Some of our current players are a Litmus test for any football manager propspects - Lucas and Babel are 2 of them.

Now let's see if Roy passes the test.

I would love to see Riera given a chance.

So Lucas who runs his @ss off for us week in week out you would tell to f.uck off, but the bloke who describes us as a 'sinking ship' you would welcome..?  ???

We aren't paying him to run, we are paying him to play football ,he tried andfailed miserably ,he is a liability and a prooven one if i may say so. I stated my opinion on Lucas several times before. He is :censored:! and if a football manager can't see that he has a serious problem.

I wouldn't attribute too much into newspaper interviews Riera felt he is being mistreated by our wierd manager ,not that i approve of players blasting their mouth but still some prespective. And to be honest we were a sinking ship under Rafa...
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:19 pm

only me wrote:
Fauxy wrote:
only me wrote:I wouls say if he keeps Lucas in the Squad he can F off.
Some of our current players are a Litmus test for any football manager propspects - Lucas and Babel are 2 of them.

Now let's see if Roy passes the test.

I would love to see Riera given a chance.

So Lucas who runs his @ss off for us week in week out you would tell to f.uck off, but the bloke who describes us as a 'sinking ship' you would welcome..?  ???

We aren't paying him to run, we are paying him to play football ,he tried andfailed miserably ,he is a liability and a prooven one if i may say so. I stated my opinion on Lucas several times before. He is :censored:! and if a football manager can't see that he has a serious problem.

I wouldn't attribute too much into newspaper interviews Riera felt he is being mistreated by our wierd manager ,not that i approve of players blasting their mouth but still some prespective. And to be honest we were a sinking ship under Rafa...

id rather have Lucas over Mascherano or Riera.
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Postby Fauxy » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:25 pm

Yeh I agree about Lucas being a sh!te player and I dont think he will ever be good enough for us. But having said that I would much sooner get rid of a player that mocks the club he plays for like he did than get rid of a lad who at least has respect and passion for us.

And yes we were a sinking ship under Rafa, we still are a sinking ship with the yanks so Riera was right. But, he wasn't right to say it. Especially when we had low morale anyways + on the night before a pretty important match. It just shows he is an unloyal pr!ck.

When Babel fell out with Rafa he didnt go out and slag off the club did he? He moved on and actually started to perform a bit better towards the end of the season.
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:38 pm

we still are a sinking ship with the yanks so Riera was right. But, he wasn't right to say it. Especially when we had low morale anyways + on the night before a pretty important match. It just shows he is an unloyal pr!ck.


he also wasn't right to get involved in "incidents" with youth players on the training ground.
Id give Riera a chance.  BUT... anymore trouble from him and he'd gone.
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Postby bigmick » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:06 pm

The Riera "incident" with Pacheco shouldn't have been sorted out by the previous management because he shouldn't have got involved in it. The captain and Carra should have been pulling Riera to one side and having a wee word in his shell-like. I don't care what the rights and wrongs of it were, you don't as a grown man pick on a kid who's seven stone dripping wet and about 16 years old. I'm assuming that the kid didn't have it coming for fecking about, otherwise the manager wouldn't have got involved.

It's about time we had some real leaders in the squad showing some real leadership. Riera should have been informed in no uncertainterms that if he wanted to go around slapping people, he should pick on somebody his own size.
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Postby Rush Job » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:22 am

bigmick wrote:The Riera "incident" with Pacheco shouldn't have been sorted out by the previous management because he shouldn't have got involved in it. The captain and Carra should have been pulling Riera to one side and having a wee word in his shell-like. I don't care what the rights and wrongs of it were, you don't as a grown man pick on a kid who's seven stone dripping wet and about 16 years old. I'm assuming that the kid didn't have it coming for fecking about, otherwise the manager wouldn't have got involved.

It's about time we had some real leaders in the squad showing some real leadership. Riera should have been informed in no uncertainterms that if he wanted to go around slapping people, he should pick on somebody his own size.

Is right mick. I remember when rafa arrived he asked carra to do that job for him but jc wasnt up for the enforcer role.

I think roy will choose the best formation to suit his strongest 11. 442 or a variation most likely and although some rotation is inevitable at a top club where possible he`ll look to stick to his strongest side playing in the way to get most out of them, no swapping and changing deending on the oppo.
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Postby Owzat » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:00 am

Fauxy wrote:
only me wrote:I wouls say if he keeps Lucas in the Squad he can F off.
Some of our current players are a Litmus test for any football manager propspects - Lucas and Babel are 2 of them.

Now let's see if Roy passes the test.

I would love to see Riera given a chance.


So Lucas who runs his @ss off for us week in week out you would tell to f.uck off, but the bloke who describes us as a 'sinking ship' you would welcome..?  ???

I'm not sure the system suited Lucas, and he is only 23 and not 24 until January. I think he could be a useful set-piece taker, trouble is we've had Alonso and Gerrard who are too dominant in taking all the set-pieces which can suppress a less dominant player and their chance to shine.

Riera wasn't up to much anyway, we shouldn't really take any kind of nonsense from top players, but his contribution was not that great even before he got shut out. Benayoun froze him out of the side, he impressed early on but anyone still impressed enough to think he should be 1st choice LM is easily impressed. Although to some degree the system put emphasis on goals from the left and right as well as Torres and Gerrard, something a lot of people seem to ignore. (with two DMs where else were the goals going to come from?!?!?!?) That is why Kuyt was so invaluable, and why Benayoun came into his own in the 08/09 run-in

Here's an interesting comparison :

Benayoun

Last 16 games of 08/09 : 7 goals in 13 apps
Last 16 games of 09/10 : 2 goals in 13 apps

Gerrard

Last 16 games of 08/09 : 9 goals in 12 apps
Last 16 games of 09/10 : 4 goals in 16 apps

Kuyt

Last 16 games of 08/09 : 6 goals in 16 apps
Last 16 games of 09/10 : 1 goal in 16 apps

Torres

Last 16 games of 08/09 : 8 goals in 13 apps
Last 16 games of 09/10 : 9 goals in 9 apps*

Torres missed the last seven games of 09/10, but still scored more goals than in four more games in 08/09. He scored braces in four home games we won comfortably in 09/10 - Benfica, Sunderland, Portsmouth and Lille - three of which were in Europe

Only Torres was anywhere near contributing the goals in 09/10 that he did in 08/09, Kuyt, Gerrard and Benayoun went from 22 to 7 between them
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