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by **tubby** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:25 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Feels like i am repeating myself today ALOT.

No it was not down to just one bad season.
Doubts had been creeping in for me about 3 seasons ago when for me he made shocking decisions in the champions league final.
The substitutions in that match where ridiculous.
We should have won the league 2 seasons ago imo. I think that that he was too rigid with the team and didnt go for it in enough matches that we drew. More worried with conceding at the other end.

Last season was the straw that broke the camels back. It wasnt a bad season, it was catastrophic and he made no attempt to try different things, persisting with that same formation and Ngog upfront on his own often.
With the two holding midfielders it was some of the worst football i have witnessed and i started going the match in the Souness era.

I will give Roy a chance if and when he comes in. I gave Rafa 6 years.
I dont think anyone has been kneejerk...but people are being now.

Ok fair enough mate.

I'll support the new manager 100% when he comes in although I don't trust the board will support him as they should. We really need a major squad overhaul however we are probably going to get weaker so the thought of where we will finish next season (even with a breath of fresh air in the management dept) is frightening.

However I don't think he is good enough for this club. The problem at the club extends beyond the manager so im not really expecting anything at all from him. Best of luck to him though and I hope we keep at least Torres or Stevie.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:32 pm

this was posted on the 606 website by a Fulham fan...

I don't think you could be further from the truth. I think that both the Liverpool board and RH know exactly what they are getting themselves in to. Liverpool want, and desperately need, a calming, experienced influence to steady a very wobbly ship. True, RH may not be given a huge transfer kitty but I do not agree that he will be given an unrealistic league postion to aim for. Roy is far too canny to walk into such a position.

Whilst I want Roy to stay with us, I really can see the reasons that Liverpool would want a man such as him to turn things round. Just employing another 'high profile' manager who just wants to spend will do Liverpool no good - maybe in the short-term but definately not in the long term. I think only a man like Roy can help Liverpool right now.

Still, that is just my opinion!

and this too...

If you think Roy is going to go there for nothing other than the money, you’ve got no idea about what kind of man Roy Hodgson is. Just because the last manager you all worship was willing to take £6m off you to go, doesn’t mean Roy is in the same boat.

Also, his wife is a scouser – so I’m sure she’d have some input. After being dragged around the globe she would no doubt be keen to move somewhere of HER choice for once.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:40 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Rafa only ever had one GOOD SEASON.

by **parchpea** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:00 pm

All things said I think the Hodgson thing may soon be dead in the water anyways because I personally think the FA will sound him out for the England job and he will take that in a heartbeat over coming to Liverpool.

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:25 pm

parchpea wrote:All things said I think the Hodgson thing may soon be dead in the water anyways because I personally think the FA will sound him out for the England job and he will take that in a heartbeat over coming to Liverpool.

true.
if he is the no 1 choice then somebody is dragging their heels,either its the board or roy himself.
if it is roy and he's waiting on an approach for the english job well then its clear he isnt the man for us!!.
he has been in the frame for this job quite a while now and still nobody knows his intentions.

this situation is fast becoming like everything else our board has done of late.a fookin farce!!
we know nothing about our club anymore :veryangry

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:30 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Some of you on here a fecking idiots.

You post as if the board sacked Rafa to get Hodgson. Let me remind you, Rafa was not sacked the departure was mutually consenting. Funnily enough, this now leaves a club without a manager.

FWIW, though he wasn't my first or even second preference, I wish Hodgson the very best should he become LFC manager. Just on the quoted part, though; Rafa lost the support of the board so he had no option but to agree to a mutual parting of the ways. This is no unfortunate situation forced upon the board. They believe that another manager will better deliver on their interests than Rafa. Some believe that entails a fire-sale of our most valuable players, others simply that Hodgson's value to the board is in the job he would do on the pitch - to return stability to the team and thus to help facilitate the sale of the club.

by **metalhead** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:39 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Rafa only ever had one GOOD SEASON.

Nope 3 good seasons.

last season, the season we won the Champions League and the season we won the F.A cup

by **Reg** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:58 pm

Glad to see everyones in a crackin' mood.

Is this atmosphere going to last the full length of Woy´s 12 month tenure?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:02 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Rafa only ever had one GOOD SEASON.

So what is a good season in your eyes then ?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:04 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:How can people suggest that woy could of done a better job when nothing he has achieved previously suggests as such - the guy has had no high level success at all .

So we get 35 million from player sales yet have to replace 4 or 5 squad players - how many top class players can you get from 35 million ? One and at a stretch 2 and which of these top players will come into a club in our situation

It wouldnt take much to do a better job would it

Really ? There is nothing to suggest Woy would of done any better .

by **inglis5** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:09 pm

Given our current circumstances I think we could do a lot worse than Roy Hodgson. I think some of the venom being aimed at him already is misdirected and is quite frankly embarrassing.

Hodgson, like all Managers, should be given time and we should judge him on results. We should also take into account the perilous position the club is in.

Rafa was afforded the same luxury by (almost) all fans for at least 3 years and he worked in a far more comfortable environment.

Of course everybody wants to be challenging for the Premier League but even with the best manager in the world (who we can't attract) I think it would that would be an impossible job with no money and the owners that we've got. We have to admit that 'our level' until the cancers have gone is probably going to be challenging for a CL position. If we are angry about it then let's not aim that anger at a good, decent footballing man who hasn't even had one game, let alone a season, to prove what he bring to the club.

The number one priority should be to do everything possible to make things as uncomfortable as possible for H&G, not to slate our (potential) new manager. Like every fan I will reserve the right to judge the manager on results but some perspective and support is now needed.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:11 pm

Just a quick question ,the season we finished second and loads of people jumped on our previous managers case because they though hed fecked up then, Well what if he would of gone that season,or even in the middle of last season, would everyone have been on the Roy bandwagon then, When them rumours were going round that he had walked out after the Madrid game , would yous all have been happy with a Banker appointing Roy then. Would yous all have been happy or accepted if when Roy if and when the Klinsmans saga went one and Rafa would of walked then,I have had so many text and phone calls today ridiculing how our standards have been lowerd its untrue

If he wasnt acceptable then , still the same owners ,still the same dept .why is he acceptable now,

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:26 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Just a quick question ,the season we finished second and loads of people jumped on our previous managers case because they though hed fecked up then, Well what if he would of gone that season,or even in the middle of last season, would everyone have been on the Roy bandwagon then, When them rumours were going round that he had walked out after the Madrid game , would yous all have been happy with a Banker appointing Roy then. Would yous all have been happy or accepted if when Roy if and when the Klinsmans saga went one and Rafa would of walked then,I have had so many text and phone calls today ridiculing how our standards have been lowerd its untrue

If he wasnt acceptable then , still the same owners ,still the same dept .why is he acceptable now,

You had what looked like progress back then, Nan. It would have been the wrong time to change the manager as he was finally beginning to deliver in the league - if not to everyone's pleasing. Last season we didn't just not build on that progress, we fell an absolute mile back, and that's why some of the lesser names have become more acceptable than they were back when we were 2nd.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:28 pm

metalhead wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Rafa only ever had one GOOD SEASON.

Nope 3 good seasons.

last season, the season we won the Champions League and the season we won the F.A cup

finishing BELOW Everton (as we did in 5th place the year we won the CL) is not a good season.

and the year we won the FA cup...we were miles off the pace in the league then too...it has always been about winning the league.

Rafa had one good season, the season we finished 2nd and almost beat man utd to the Premiership.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:29 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
metalhead wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Rafa only ever had one GOOD SEASON.

Nope 3 good seasons.

last season, the season we won the Champions League and the season we won the F.A cup

finishing BELOW Everton (as we did in 5th place the year we won the CL) is not a good season.

and the year we won the FA cup...we were miles off the pace in the league then too...it has always been about winning the league.

Rafa had one good season, the season we finished 2nd and almost beat man utd to the Premiership.

So winning the CL is not a good season - winning the FA Cup is not a good season .

So what will be a good season this year then ??

No wonder managers dont have a chance with expectations like that

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