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by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:33 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:How can people suggest that woy could of done a better job when nothing he has achieved previously suggests as such - the guy has had no high level success at all .

So we get 35 million from player sales yet have to replace 4 or 5 squad players - how many top class players can you get from 35 million ? One and at a stretch 2 and which of these top players will come into a club in our situation

It wouldnt take much to do a better job would it

by **tubby** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:39 pm

And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:43 pm

it's pretty much a done deal. Roy Hodgson is the new manager.

So, how about we give the guy a chance?

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:47 pm

bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

stats can be manipulated to prove points.

Points average means nothing. You can have an average of 80 points over 25 years in charge and never deliver a league title.

The situation we find ourselves in now is completly different to that of 3 years ago. Past points achievements mean nothing, if there's going to be a fire-sale and no money to re-invest

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:49 pm

bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

by **tubby** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:50 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

stats can be manipulated to prove points.

Points average means nothing. You can have an average of 80 points over 25 years in charge and never deliver a league title.

The situation we find ourselves in now is completly different to that of 3 years ago. Past points achievements mean nothing, if there's going to be a fire-sale and no money to re-invest

The point is though has Hodgsen ever achieved those sorts of points averages? Of course not an yet people are deluded enough to think he will do better.

by **parchpea** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:51 pm

Benitez has been a decent manager and may find his touch again but it was pretty clear he had gone stale at Liverpool and we needed to freshen it up. A new manager is not a downgrade at all but a breath of fresh air for the players who looked completely out of sorts last season. It was time for both Benitez and the club to part ways and a find a new lease of life. If it is to be Hodgson then I am confident the players will be happy to come back pre season with a coach who has new ideas, training methods and ways of working. All these lads get a chance to stake a claim and there will be no favourities. Unfortunately Rafa did start to pick people he clearly liked rather than on performance levels. To me is a fresh start, a new dawn at the football club but it seems people are still stuck in 25 May 2005 when a slim and sharp looking Benitez led our team to Champions League glory. He left in 2010 looking tired, older and in need of change much like the side he has left behind at Liverpool.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:54 pm

It's highly ironic and amusing when a poster comes on here to have a go at people for calling hodgson "woy" at the same time as calling them "di.ckhead " and "imbecile " , someone should look in the mirror and refrain from posting if it adds nothing to the thread

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:54 pm

Some of you on here a fecking idiots.

You post as if the board sacked Rafa to get Hodgson. Let me remind you, Rafa was not sacked the departure was mutually consenting. Funnily enough, this now leaves a club without a manager. A club I might add with no money and heavily in debt.

Of course the replacement is going to be a step down when you have no money to invest in a squad or a manager.

Get over it and move on. If Hodgson is our new manager then so be it, as long as the club is still up for sale, that is where my energies are focussed, not making a scapegoat of a potential manager.

FFS!

by **Sean** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:55 pm

A couple of years ago there was link to a Tom Hicks interview published on this site and he commented that he was attracted to investing in sports clubs because certain teams provided a guaranteed pool of customers that would always back the team (buy the tickets, shirts etc.) even if they were not winning titles. Sadly, I think this perception has guided his interest in Liverpool. Instead of competing with our rivals in the transfer market, Hicks and Gillett are happy for Liverpool to sustain a mediocre level of success. This means they had never intended providing big transfer funds for the manager and reflects their willingness to appoint Hodgson, a nice guy, a yes man who might help us to maintain 7th position or at best squeeze us back into the top four but who will not lead us to the title.

I grew up in awe of Kenny Dalglish and lived for Saturday nights to catch a glimpse of him in action on Match of the Day. I was ecstatic at the thought of him becoming manager again. However, I now feel it is probably best for Kenny that he was overlooked. His intentions to try and revive the club were honourable but I have no doubt but that our owners would have sucked the life out of our greatest ever player. Who knows, perhaps new owners will eventually be found and maybe that would be a more appropriate time for Kenny's return.

by **zarababe** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:56 pm

It's not about Benitez.. it's about the calibre of his replacement, that is what is upsetting most on here.

As I said earlier - if it is Roy he has my support - and I'm sure most on here will support the new manager - whoever it is.

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:57 pm

bavlondon wrote:The point is though has Hodgsen ever achieved those sorts of points averages? Of course not an yet people are deluded enough to think he will do better.

no... because he managed fulham.

Liverpool have better players than fulham, if he can get the team to play to their potential, then I dont see why not.

I'm not saying that he definately will... I'm not ruling out that he wont. We don't know for certain, so you can not say " people are deluded enough to think he will do better."

Noone is deluded. Its your opinion that he wont do better, its others that he will. They're all opinions.

by **tubby** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:13 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:22 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And for those who say 'he can't do any worse than Rafa' be sure to bear in mind only 3 managers in PL 'history' have better pts ave: 72

I am talking about last season and how far backwards we went. The shape of the squad all disjointed and a consistent playing of players that were not upto it and a formation that wasnt working.

I am not for one minute saying he didnt do some great things, more that he had got it THAT WRONG last season and continued to do so for the whole season that virtually any manager with experience could come in and tweak a few things and do better.

So basically it comes down to 1 bad season means he must go? Did he not at least deserve the chance to that right the following year?

I know this is the modern game and managers don't get as long to prove themselves as they did 10 years ago but that's just crazy. Look who we have ended up with.

Feels like i am repeating myself today ALOT.

No it was not down to just one bad season.
Doubts had been creeping in for me about 3 seasons ago when for me he made shocking decisions in the champions league final.
The substitutions in that match where ridiculous.
We should have won the league 2 seasons ago imo. I think that that he was too rigid with the team and didnt go for it in enough matches that we drew. More worried with conceding at the other end.

Last season was the straw that broke the camels back. It wasnt a bad season, it was catastrophic and he made no attempt to try different things, persisting with that same formation and Ngog upfront on his own often.
With the two holding midfielders it was some of the worst football i have witnessed and i started going the match in the Souness era.

I will give Roy a chance if and when he comes in. I gave Rafa 6 years.
I dont think anyone has been kneejerk...but people are being now.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:25 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
bavlondon wrote:The point is though has Hodgsen ever achieved those sorts of points averages? Of course not an yet people are deluded enough to think he will do better.

no... because he managed fulham.

Liverpool have better players than fulham, if he can get the team to play to their potential, then I dont see why not.

I'm not saying that he definately will... I'm not ruling out that he wont. We don't know for certain, so you can not say " people are deluded enough to think he will do better."

Noone is deluded. Its your opinion that he wont do better, its others that he will. They're all opinions.

which is spot on what I was saying yesterday, we dont know if he's got it in him to turn this club around cos he's never managed a team with a backbone of players that consist of Gerrard, Reina & Torres. we're talking world class here, not just good players. If he has half an ounce of managerial sense he'll change the formation to suit us and play the players in their proper positions thus in time and god willing he'll get the team playing as a team again. Ya Stevies and torres might just look at that as a revelation and dish out 110% effort each time they put their red shirt on, instead of tutting and sulking cos the boss has stuck them on the left and taken the best striker in the world off the pitch with 20 minutes to goal when we're a goal down.

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