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by **Greavesie** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:28 pm

Penguins wrote:Are you kidding me???

You honestly believe there is even a shred of chance Roy Hodgson will achieve anything close to that in 6 years???

Just look at his trophy resume thus far...

too right. Roy is a bad idea, it's not even funny the support he's garnering on here, it really isn't

by **shabelle50** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:28 pm

Penguins wrote:
Molby's bellybutton fluff wrote:I think the 8-9 million quoted is probably the 6 million which it was reported we paid Rafa off with (which has since been disputed), added to some compensation we'd have to pay for Hodgson (if he is the new manager of course). You haven't taken into account though that Benitez's contract had another four years to run, on a big salary. My guess is a Hodgson would be on considerably less, which would make the 9 million initial outlay much smaller over time.

So the first part is that I woudl dispute if it is Hodgson that it woul cost us 9 million quid. As far as the football goes, the crusial point is this. I think with the group of players we had at our disposal last season, Roy Hodgson would have finished higher than 7th. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but I am pretty sure he would have. You on the other hand, judging from your posts here, don't think he would have. You perhaps think that a team including Gerrard and Torres and Reina and Masherano would have been fighting relegation under Hodgson, wouldn't even have got a draw at Reading in the first place, or wouldn't have even beaten that weak team twice 1-0 in the group stages of the Champions League.

The reality is tho that nobody really knows, it's only a guess.

Sure if you isolate Rafa's achievement to just the last season I'd say there might be an argument for us finishing higher than 7th last season.

But I prefer to look at the big picture if if you instead as me if with the same squad roy would get us to 2nd with this squad and get our highest points total ever, I'd laugh at your question.

Do you really believe Roy will make us qualify to the CL 5 out of 6 season if he stayed for 6 years?
Win the CL?
Win the FA cup?
Make us a force in europe?
Just a few points from the title?

No chance!

The fact it took Benitez 5 years to put together a title challenge suggests that Hodgson wouldn't be the only manager to struggle with expectations at Anfield.

Given that the squad is stronger in reality than it was in the summer of 2004 when Benitez came in and still finished with 3 more points than in 2003-2004 would actually make a case for the next manager being in a better position to push on.

It's strange as to why Benitez has chosen this time to suggest that Purslow "wanted him out". This is hardly news. Also why does Benitez think anyone seriously cares if he doesn't sell his house on the Wirral. He's going to come back he'll always be welcome as a fan in the stadium but come back as manager? Yeh right does he think Liverpool will want him back in the future.

It's most odd the timing maybe he's trying to play mind games with Hodgson and potential buyers of the club. Wasn't his agent the one who told the press about the Chinese based businessman Huang who wanted to buy the club a few months ago and that a price of £550 million could be agreed this summer only for Huang to deny any talks were imminent?

Benitez should get on with his current job in Italy he seems quite fond of talking about his previous one. If he's that fond of continually talking about Liverpool why did he agree to leave? He could have rejected the severance offer, forced them to sack him and left on his own terms.

by **parchpea** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:31 pm

Benitez achieved those things with money but when that began to dry up and his signings where a dissapointment the wheels came off and he lost the plot completely. All he did after that was talk about money and how he was doing a good job under the circumstances rather than cracking on with things and getting the boys he had in better shape. Benitez was finished at Liverpool, spent up, tired and all out of ideas and frankly keep harking back to his tenure is tiresome. If anyone in their right mind thinks we would have enjoyed a decent campaign this coming year under stewardship rather than any of these potential managers then Im afraid its complete fantasy.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:32 pm

Penguins wrote:Are you kidding me???

You honestly believe there is even a shred of chance Roy Hodgson will achieve anything close to that in 6 years???

Just look at his trophy resume thus far...

he is at a club with players who arent as individually good as ours. so who knows? he might do well, he might not. oh waiiitttt!!! unless you're trying to say we're at the same level as Fulham?

some of you are already writing him off before he even left his club!!

maybe you should try to approach the situation with an open mind. i said it before, i dont care who the next manager is or where he is from but its pointless jumping the gun so soon.

by **Greavesie** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:35 pm

this pro and anti Rafa sh!te has to stop now, its the same debate between the same people using bitter jabs at the pros to patronise them. FACE IT, ROY IS AT HIS LEVEL AT FULHAM. The reasoning behind the arguments is that simple, its not about nobody being good enough to replace Rafa, it's plain and simple that he isn't good enough for LFC. Can we stop having jabs at them 'not supporting the manager' now because they did a dam sight more supporting when things were bad at this club than some others did.

Rafa probably did have to go, but for the politics going on at the club personally i didn't think he should have left - w should have got rid of the Yanks and then Rafa (but thats a different matter). To replace Rafa we need someone with the credentials to do so, who can be trusted to bring instant success, because let's face it thats why Rafa was chucked. Roy will NOT do this and qute frankly I'm not prepared to lower my expectations just because a clueless Welsh man has taken the helm

by **Penguins** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:38 pm

And please tell me which manager who wins trophies without significant financial backing?

So before Rafa got a title challenging squad together after 5 years he achieved nothing??

2 CL finals, fa cup win, 82 pt league campaign...
nothing then I guess. If Hodgson achieve anything close to that I'll eat my hat!

What suggest Roy will do well?
He has been a manager for a looong time and he has won practically nothing!
At which time was Roy considered a succesful manager?
Give me some reasons why he will be a success.

by **Molby's bellybutton fluff** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:47 pm

It's an interesting point of view mate, but why must anyone FACE IT as far as Roy Hodgson's level. He took Switzerland to fourth in the World rankings, managing them at World Cups etc so why is Fulham so obviously his level? Perhaps it is, but the crusial point is that nobody knows until he's had his shot. What happens if Benitez goes to Milan and fails, what is his "level" then?

I totally agree with you as well that this pro rafa Benitez/anti Rafa Benitez stuff doesn't do anyone any favours either. He's gone so people should move on. Pro Liverpool football club, THATS what people should be facing up to.

Also, someone said they can't believe the level of support Hodgson is getting. That surprises me. We are the best fans in the land, so surely showing a bloke who is rumoured to be our future manager a little bit of respect is the least we can all do. Like I said before, I couldn't stand the "fat Spanish waiter" stuff, and the "Woy" jibes are every bit as bad if he does become the manager.

Saying Fulham is his "level" though is hard to agree with. Benitez managed at Tenerife once, was that HIS level, or are you allowed to progress?

by **shabelle50** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:49 pm

Greavesie wrote:this pro and anti Rafa sh!te has to stop now, its the same debate between the same people using bitter jabs at the pros to patronise them. FACE IT, ROY IS AT HIS LEVEL AT FULHAM. The reasoning behind the arguments is that simple, its not about nobody being good enough to replace Rafa, it's plain and simple that he isn't good enough for LFC. Can we stop having jabs at them 'not supporting the manager' now because they did a dam sight more supporting when things were bad at this club than some others did.

Rafa probably did have to go, but for the politics going on at the club personally i didn't think he should have left - w should have got rid of the Yanks and then Rafa (but thats a different matter). To replace Rafa we need someone with the credentials to do so, who can be trusted to bring instant success, because let's face it thats why Rafa was chucked. Roy will NOT do this and qute frankly I'm not prepared to lower my expectations just because a clueless Welsh man has taken the helm

The clueless welshman you talk about I presume you mean Hodgson hasn't taken the helm as things stand. He's hardly number one choice if the rumours over Rijkaard and the statement from the Marseille chairman are true with regard to Deschamps.

Isn't the truth of it that Benitez ran out of time because he kept bleating about lack of money throughout him time in charge yet at the start of last season he said everything would be ok as long as he players worked hard and did everything perfectly?

Wenger hasn't spent loads at Arsenal every season Chelski and United didn't spend that much last summer compared to previous years. Benitez's low budget buys didn't work out when it came to making the best of the resources available he came up short. He got away with it at Valencia because he inherited a title winning squad from Cuper. Why has he walked into the Inter job so quickly because it's a title and cl winning squad?

It's also mistaken to conclude for certain that Hodgson isn't good enough for Liverpool. Souness had only managed in Scotland prior to 91 he got the job largely because he'd been captain of title winning sides. Evans only got the job because he came from the backroom. Both failed to deliver as manager. Hodgson might or might not be the answer but it's premature right now to suggest that he's not qualified to be Liverpool manager.

Quite honestly this situation needs resolving asap and if Hodgson is appointed by the end of the week the sooner the club can move forward.

by **Molby's bellybutton fluff** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:56 pm

This post is directed in responce to Penguins:

Who wins trophies without financial backing? Nobody. Every manager has to buy players in order to regenerate the team. I'm not sure I understand what you are on about, but the answer is, nobody.

I'm not sure anyone said Rafa achieved "nothing". He did the things you mention, although both of the trophies he won with the nucleus of players he was left. Once he had "built his squad" we didn't win anything else, for four seasons. I'm getting that you really liked him, and I understand that he was a good guy, but you could tune into the serie A matches this season coming if you really want to keep in touch with how he's getting on. He's gone to Inter Milan.

What suggests that Roy will do well? Well he's a decent manager. Respected players say he's the best they've ever worked with, his record is pretty good. Does that mean he's certain to be able to beat 7th and a cup exit at the hands of Reading at Home? No, but it doesn't mean he's a certainty to fail either. Obviously he won't be able to match our progress such as it was in the Champions League next season as we didn't actually qualify for it this time, but that's something to aim for in the future.

Anyway I've given you a couple of reasons why he might do well there. I don't actually think he will become our manager now anyway, but whoever does I'm going to get right behind and support them.

by **burjennio** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:37 pm

He got away with it at Valencia because he inherited a title winning squad from Cuper.

Hector Cuper didnt win the league with Valencia, Benitez was the 1st to do that since 1971

by **metalhead** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:55 pm

burjennio wrote:
He got away with it at Valencia because he inherited a title winning squad from Cuper.

Hector Cuper didnt win the league with Valencia, Benitez was the 1st to do that since 1971

Yep, Valencia weren't really good in the league as well.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:57 pm

Is Woy here yet?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:57 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:you have to back the manager. Some of the nonesense on here about backing roy till christmas! Unreal and bang out of order. Hes a good manager and better than any pelligrini, MON, erickson etc.

Leave the team and manager alone and focus hayred to our owners. Regardless of what people think of rafa's era, its over. For me he entrenched himself in too much politics at the club.

We must back roy, frank or whoever takes over at this club. If i here anyone spouting about him or singing about rafa in matches at anfield this season. If i can get close enough, i'll whack em!

You are fucking solid you are

Top Boy in the Kop are we

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:17 pm

Molby's bellybutton fluff wrote:I think the 8-9 million quoted is probably the 6 million which it was reported we paid Rafa off with (which has since been disputed), added to some compensation we'd have to pay for Hodgson (if he is the new manager of course). You haven't taken into account though that Benitez's contract had another four years to run, on a big salary. My guess is a Hodgson would be on considerably less, which would make the 9 million initial outlay much smaller over time.

So the first part is that I woudl dispute if it is Hodgson that it woul cost us 9 million quid. As far as the football goes, the crusial point is this. I think with the group of players we had at our disposal last season, Roy Hodgson would have finished higher than 7th. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but I am pretty sure he would have. You on the other hand, judging from your posts here, don't think he would have. You perhaps think that a team including Gerrard and Torres and Reina and Masherano would have been fighting relegation under Hodgson, wouldn't even have got a draw at Reading in the first place, or wouldn't have even beaten that weak team twice 1-0 in the group stages of the Champions League.

The reality is tho that nobody really knows, it's only a guess.

It was only a matter of time before the veiled digs at Benitez's reign started to filter through in your posts ... read the same drivel about Reading and Birmingham enough last season

from other posters
So if you are serious in your attempt to collate posters into backing your support the Roy campaign then I suggest you leave the little barbs out of your writing .....otherwise people might just think your simply being to clever for your own good
just a thought like

by **puroresu** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:43 pm

Deschamps is only on a two year contract at OM. I dont think he wants to leave. I think he will do 12 more months and then make a decision.

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