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by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:25 am

Small point - Houllier wasn't sacked.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:35 am

Redman in wales wrote:
Reg wrote:The point is Bo, even if we raise 55m, people dont think for a moment we're going to be allowed to spend it. if we're in such a strong position then why would we be selling players? Come on mate, you know the SP.

Of course we will be able to spend it. There is absolutely no proof what-so-ever that we wont.

We spent all of it last year. We spent all of it the year before... and the year before that too.

we sold Alonso last year for 30 million. We only spent about 8m on johnson. (portsmouth owed us money for Crouch). And we only actually paid 5m up front for Aqua man.

And about 1.5 for the Greek. Were did the rest of this money go?

by **lakes10** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:50 am

Ciggy wrote:Somethings not right here and something is different.
When Houllier was sacked Moores & Parry had a list consisting of MON, Rafa, Mourhino, Strachan, Curbishley.
Thats two world class managers on that list and we got one of them, this list consists of Kenny, Hodgeson, Sven, Pellegrini and Rijkaard. The worst name on this list is Hodgeson yet he maybe our manager today.

like it or lump it Ciggy its down to the club talking too much time in letting Rafa go.
big named managers held off as long as they could in taking other jobs to see if the liverpool job was going to come up, other jobs come up before the liverpool one so they took them.

at the start of the year JM said he wished to comeback to England, he club he hinted at was Liverpool but we was never going to be able to give him the spending power he was looking for.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:59 am

lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Somethings not right here and something is different.
When Houllier was sacked Moores & Parry had a list consisting of MON, Rafa, Mourhino, Strachan, Curbishley.
Thats two world class managers on that list and we got one of them, this list consists of Kenny, Hodgeson, Sven, Pellegrini and Rijkaard. The worst name on this list is Hodgeson yet he maybe our manager today.

like it or lump it Ciggy its down to the club talking too much time in letting Rafa go.
big named managers held off as long as they could in taking other jobs to see if the liverpool job was going to come up, other jobs come up before the liverpool one so they took them.

at the start of the year JM said he wished to comeback to England, he club he hinted at was Liverpool but we was never going to be able to give him the spending power he was looking for.

What utter rubbish - you have nothing at all to base that assumption on - Big name managers still wouldnt of touched us if rafa went months ago because we still would of been skint and we still wouldnt of been in the cl and we still would have the parasites for owners - which manager exactly did we miss out on then because the owners took too long ??

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:01 am

lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Somethings not right here and something is different.
When Houllier was sacked Moores & Parry had a list consisting of MON, Rafa, Mourhino, Strachan, Curbishley.
Thats two world class managers on that list and we got one of them, this list consists of Kenny, Hodgeson, Sven, Pellegrini and Rijkaard. The worst name on this list is Hodgeson yet he maybe our manager today.

like it or lump it Ciggy its down to the club talking too much time in letting Rafa go.
big named managers held off as long as they could in taking other jobs to see if the liverpool job was going to come up, other jobs come up before the liverpool one so they took them.

at the start of the year JM said he wished to comeback to England, he club he hinted at was Liverpool but we was never going to be able to give him the spending power he was looking for.

Come on Lakes you really dont believe that do you?
The club could not offer Mourhino any sort of transfer budget he would require and he is the only big named manager that has swapped clubs, what other managers are you talking about that have joined clubs over the last few months? The board knew exactly what they where doing sacking Rafa AFTER Mourhino had joined Real Madrid. They waited until rafa was on holiday to tell him to pack his bags, the season finished weeks before he was sacked and it was always there intention to sack him once the season was finished.

I am 100% against Hodgeson 100%.

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:02 am

Bottom line is we a new manager and we need stability. Hodgson isn't anyones forst choice, but he's the best we've been linked with. I spent years praying kenny would come back to us, especially under the souness and evans eras, but he never did. Sadly its too late to turn the clock back.

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:04 am

jacdaniel wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
Reg wrote:The point is Bo, even if we raise 55m, people dont think for a moment we're going to be allowed to spend it. if we're in such a strong position then why would we be selling players? Come on mate, you know the SP.

Of course we will be able to spend it. There is absolutely no proof what-so-ever that we wont.

We spent all of it last year. We spent all of it the year before... and the year before that too.

we sold Alonso last year for 30 million. We only spent about 8m on johnson. (portsmouth owed us money for Crouch). And we only actually paid 5m up front for Aqua man.

And about 1.5 for the Greek. Were did the rest of this money go?

believe it or not we cant just buy a player for £5m up front.. the rest has to follow!! :kungfu:

As of now we've paid over 15M euros for him (with more to follow as well).

Whichever way you want to look at it Johnson cost us £17m.

Go and have a look at the summer transfers of 2008/09 and look at what we spent, and what we sold. Then change the £11m received from crouch to £2m and see if we had a net spend. infact...

bought:
degan (0), dossena (£7m), Cavalieri (£3m), N’Gog (£1.5m), Keane (£19.3m), Reira (£8m)
Total : £38m

sold:
crouch £2m, Guthrie (£2m), Riise (£4m) Carson (£3m), finnan (£3m)
Total : £8m

(if you want to take off the £9m pompey owed us for crouch to "balance the books" last summer then the previous summer when we sold him, you can only count income in 2008 as £2m, not £11m)

So yes, last summer we did not spend EVERYTHING we received, but we did spend a large chunck of it.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:09 am

Redman in wales wrote:last summer we did not spend EVERYTHING we received, but we did spend a large chunck of it.

We certainly did not.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:11 am

We need to pay back a lot of money to the banks so there is no way any new manager would get 50 mil to spend - dream land .

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:18 am

Benny The Noon wrote:We need to pay back a lot of money to the banks so there is no way any new manager would get 50 mil to spend - dream land .

Yes the club has to pay 110,000 a day interest.
And people think Woy is getting 50 odd million to spend hahahahahaha

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:21 am

Ciggy wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:last summer we did not spend EVERYTHING we received, but we did spend a large chunck of it.

We certainly did not.

we spent over £27million. (excluding the £9million pompey owed us)

Aquilani (£17m), Johnson (£9m), Soto (£1.5m), Mavinga (undisclosed - approx £1.5m as far as I can find out)

So sorry ciggy, but yes we did.

by **In and Out** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:26 am

Exactly! Although this will probably get converted to an argument of "net spend" which if they did all the way along they'd find assets do sell for more, less and the same as they were bought so "net spend" is a pointless measure. Besides which, what does selling Alonso for £30m have to do with how much Rafa spent?!?!? Good business to make a 300% profit, but it doesn't mean Rafa spent less than he did.

And as I've said before, people tend to base their ravings over Rafa on his CL success, just focusing on the league and his record is VERY similar to Houllier (not that it isn't with cups, but people will always shoot their loads immediately over Istanbul)

LAST SIX LEAGUE FINISHES

Houllier : 7th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 4th (average 4th)
Rafa : 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 7th (average 4th)

Yet I've read several times the same myth, albeit rephrased in terms of success/failure, that Rafa has been the only manager not to fail since Kenny. Well technically speaking all managers who haven't won the league have "failed" in their quest. Doesn't matter how many crystals you collect in the crystal maze, you don't collect enough gold tokens and you don't walk away with THE prize

And it's funny how much blame is laid at the feet of the owners, yet Rafa's best league finish and Liverpool's highest points tally in the Premiership all came with the new owners. Perhaps that proves my point about the perception and how Istanbul is essentially THE one thing Rafa is given excessively excessive credit for - brilliant night that it was.

And with the new owners and all the hatred for them, how is it that one season Rafa could be on the brink of winning the league title, then the next season we drop from 2nd with 86 points to SEVENTH with 63 points? Wasn't because we were forced to sell Reina, Mascherano, Torres or Gerrard, but arguably because Rafa had already readied Alonso's departure and that went through ie it was as big an own goal as any of the league winners Souness decided to sell when he had a clear out of players who WERE good enough for Liverpool FC

Good post Owzat!

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:27 am

puroresu wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:Get a grip people. Roy hodgson will do a good job for this great club. Why are so many obsessed with foreign managers? Its easier to win the scuddetto than the premier league! Harry Redknapp, has done a wonderful job at spurs. He's only won the FA cup in 27 years of management. Hodgson has won more things but with smaller clubs. He got Switzerland FFS, to rank number 4 in the world! Something this golden generation of ours would love to be able to attain to.

Since Wenger, too many have jumped on the foreign band wagon. Ramos, Erikson, Grant, Cappello, Rafa etc. Havent been fantastic successes have they? CL win aside, 1 FA cup for 5 years is appalling. Houllier won more in one season!

We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Im an optimist, and really believe that we still have the nucleas of a very good team if they are playing without fear. Look what fear has been doing to the cream of englands talents? Now take the shackles off and players play 20-30% better.

If masch goes we get 30m extra to spend. So, we could have 55m to spend this summer. A good manger will get some good players for that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Ancolotti struggled to win the title for AC Milan. 1st season at Chelsea he wins the double. How do you explain this?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

1) chelsea had an expensively assembled squad that were championship material even before Carlo came on board.

2) if you compare the personnel at Liverpool and Fulham, you will see that we have better attacking options and individuals hence Roy had to use a "boring" type of football as some may call it, similar to Rafa's.

.THE PLAYERS AT LIVERPOOL AND FULHAM ARE NOT THE SAME HENCE ROY WOULD HAVE MORE OPTIONS

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:28 am

Ciggy wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:We need to pay back a lot of money to the banks so there is no way any new manager would get 50 mil to spend - dream land .

Yes the club has to pay 110,000 a day interest.
And people think Woy is getting 50 odd million to spend hahahahahaha

He'll get 12 million and will also keep any money from player sales. So if benny goes (7 mill) and masch go (25 - 30 mill) then he could have up to 49 million to spend.

Real also still owe us money for Alonso. They didn't pay 30 mill upfront. So rafa did spend everything he had last season

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:31 am

This transfer money has been done to death and I cant be @rsed going over old ground once again.
People are missing the point big time. When Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano, Benayoun, reira and who ever else is sold off the new manager will see around 20 million of it if that.
If you cant see this by now shame on you !!!

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