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by **fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:14 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:
Reg wrote:The point is Bo, even if we raise 55m, people dont think for a moment we're going to be allowed to spend it. if we're in such a strong position then why would we be selling players? Come on mate, you know the SP.

Reg, i know where we are, but i can honestly see most of the money going into transfers. They are ruthless and i hate them but they arent stupid. If they dilute value of squad and potential for success. then there asking price will nev3r be met.

From listening to RBS and MB, it looke like the americans cant sell to pay off loans just now. They dont have a say. If RBS, CP, MB allow it, honestly, hand on heart. What do you think you'd see at Anfield with our fans???

I can see riots that havent been witnessed for years. We'd hang the fookers. That would irreversibly damage their sale price. They know what Liverpool fans and Scousers in general are like. We'd hit them far too hard. We are quite militant when backs are up. ( , i dont wanna get political! )

Torres and gerrard will not go this season. Masch will, hes a great player, but a rafa disciple!

Reg, my point is, that we wont actively sell players. They will go if they want to. Carra said it a month ago. Better players have left than the ones we have and we are still a great club.

I've posted so much tonight because i hoonestly believe we british and that hodgson is the most obvious choice. We need to steadt the ship and roy is capapble of that. We wnt win Prem short term, but we cant drop too far away from top 4. A foreign maanager with little funds would ruin us. 55m or wateva we have will be lost on michel-ferri, lucas, babel, degan, le-tallec, diao, diouf type players.

Hey, its a forum i ccould be totally wrong!

I just aint jumping on bandwagons like a lot seem to be doing. Its almost like a gang mentality on here. Im not talking about you either

hurrah common sense prevails!! :bowdown

by **Reg** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:29 am

Ciggy wrote:
fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t wrote:change the record! everyone knows your not a fan of Woy but have you stopped to ask yourself one question? who the feck would want to manage Liverpool fc at the moment? man, some of you are just not getting it we are in dire straights and it will get worse over the summer, just deal with the facts!!!

And some of us have been dealing with these facts for nearly three feckin years, I wont be supporting any yes man brought in by Purslow and the yanks they can get 2 feck.

I love it when you talk dirty Cigs.... :blush:

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:32 am

puroresu wrote:Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

How many premiership titles did Rafa win?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

When Rafa tried that, it worked a treat, but then was scrapped for the more favourable "must not lose" approach.

By all means, put forward your arguments against hodgson, but dont totally bury your head in the sand. Rafa is a gent, of that there is no doubt, but as manager of Liverpool, he certainly was our greatest.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:12 am

Kharhaz wrote:
puroresu wrote:Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

How many premiership titles did Rafa win?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

When Rafa tried that, it worked a treat, but then was scrapped for the more favourable "must not lose" approach.

By all means, put forward your arguments against hodgson, but dont totally bury your head in the sand. Rafa is a gent, of that there is no doubt, but as manager of Liverpool, he certainly was our greatest.

Where did he refer to Rafa? :upside:

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:20 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
puroresu wrote:Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

How many premiership titles did Rafa win?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

When Rafa tried that, it worked a treat, but then was scrapped for the more favourable "must not lose" approach.

By all means, put forward your arguments against hodgson, but dont totally bury your head in the sand. Rafa is a gent, of that there is no doubt, but as manager of Liverpool, he certainly was our greatest.

Where did he refer to Rafa?

Wow...Really?

ok...

He is posting in the "New Manager" thread after supporting Rafa throughout his time at Liverpool..

The loss of Rafa argument.

And yet Roy Hodgson is worse.

Again...Really??

Ignorance is bliss, I should adopt that one...

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:27 am

Kharhaz wrote:Wow...Really?

ok...

He is posting in the "New Manager" thread after supporting Rafa throughout his time at Liverpool..

The loss of Rafa argument.

And yet Roy Hodgson is worse.

Again...Really??

Ignorance is bliss, I should adopt that one...

Our mate puroresu has been one of Rafa's biggest critics on this forum over all the time I've ever posted here. In the post of his you quoted, he (puroresu) was basically criticising Hodgson's record by saying he hasn't won a major European title and that his sides don't play expansive football. He wasn't defending Rafa, again, because he is a critic of Rafa.

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:35 am

LFC2007 wrote:Our mate puroresu has been one of Rafa's biggest critics on this forum over all the time I've ever posted here. In the post of his you quoted, he (puroresu) was basically criticising Hodgson's record by saying he hasn't won a major European title and that his sides don't play expansive football. He wasn't defending Rafa, again, because he is a critic of Rafa.

Your absolutely right, dont I feel a berk !

I mistook him for another poster completely. I'll suck up the sarcasm and accept myself for the fool I am.

Apologies LFC. I dont half feel a prat !

PS. Apologies also to puroresu, there are times when I am as dumb as a mule, this being one of them.

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:46 am

jacdaniel wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:getting rid of benitez (who has a great track record)

not for the last 3 years.....and lets not forget that the year we won the CL we ended up 5th in the prem.

them 3 years were when hicks and Gillett took over. Coincidence? i don't think so.

And we still did very well considering the debt they were piling onto us and the transfer budget decreasing all the time.

2nd in the PL and a couple of CL semi's and Quarters is not bad for a man with no money.

no money.. :laugh:

what did he use to buy Babel, Keane, Aquilani, Lucas, Johnson, Masch, Torres with then? Magic beans?

Rafa had cash, a lot of it. Our current team is filled with his big money flops. He also forced Alonso out because he thought BARRY was a much better player.

by **The Raven** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:15 am

I take a little from A and a little from B

Rafa was not perfect by any means. His last season was just baffling as where his transfers. Some will say he asked for better players but parry messed up ect. Fact is he has signed some shockers and some great players too. Moving on time now i feel

However Roy has no proven record, never got anywhere with blackburn and had one ok ish season at ful. He is a steadying figure.

Id take kenny every day of the week.

by **Owzat** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:20 am

7_Kewell wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:getting rid of benitez (who has a great track record)

not for the last 3 years.....and lets not forget that the year we won the CL we ended up 5th in the prem.

them 3 years were when hicks and Gillett took over. Coincidence? i don't think so.

And we still did very well considering the debt they were piling onto us and the transfer budget decreasing all the time.

2nd in the PL and a couple of CL semi's and Quarters is not bad for a man with no money.

no money..

what did he use to buy Babel, Keane, Aquilani, Lucas, Johnson, Masch, Torres with then? Magic beans?

Rafa had cash, a lot of it. Our current team is filled with his big money flops. He also forced Alonso out because he thought BARRY was a much better player.

Exactly! Although this will probably get converted to an argument of "net spend" which if they did all the way along they'd find assets do sell for more, less and the same as they were bought so "net spend" is a pointless measure. Besides which, what does selling Alonso for £30m have to do with how much Rafa spent?!?!? Good business to make a 300% profit, but it doesn't mean Rafa spent less than he did.

And as I've said before, people tend to base their ravings over Rafa on his CL success, just focusing on the league and his record is VERY similar to Houllier (not that it isn't with cups, but people will always shoot their loads immediately over Istanbul)

LAST SIX LEAGUE FINISHES

Houllier : 7th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 4th (average 4th)
Rafa : 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 7th (average 4th)

Yet I've read several times the same myth, albeit rephrased in terms of success/failure, that Rafa has been the only manager not to fail since Kenny. Well technically speaking all managers who haven't won the league have "failed" in their quest. Doesn't matter how many crystals you collect in the crystal maze, you don't collect enough gold tokens and you don't walk away with THE prize

And it's funny how much blame is laid at the feet of the owners, yet Rafa's best league finish and Liverpool's highest points tally in the Premiership all came with the new owners. Perhaps that proves my point about the perception and how Istanbul is essentially THE one thing Rafa is given excessively excessive credit for - brilliant night that it was.

And with the new owners and all the hatred for them, how is it that one season Rafa could be on the brink of winning the league title, then the next season we drop from 2nd with 86 points to SEVENTH with 63 points? Wasn't because we were forced to sell Reina, Mascherano, Torres or Gerrard, but arguably because Rafa had already readied Alonso's departure and that went through ie it was as big an own goal as any of the league winners Souness decided to sell when he had a clear out of players who WERE good enough for Liverpool FC :veryangry

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:59 am

If you guys thought that we played defensively under Rafa, wait till Hodgson is in charge. He's going to take anti-football to another level.

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:10 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:If you guys thought that we played defensively under Rafa, wait till Hodgson is in charge. He's going to take anti-football to another level.

and you know this how ?

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:25 am

Somethings not right here and something is different.
When Houllier was sacked Moores & Parry had a list consisting of MON, Rafa, Mourhino, Strachan, Curbishley.
Thats two world class managers on that list and we got one of them, this list consists of Kenny, Hodgeson, Sven, Pellegrini and Rijkaard. The worst name on this list is Hodgeson yet he maybe our manager today.

Yes he is a nice fella but nice fella's dont mean that they are the right person to take the managerial hotseat at Liverpool.
Ofcourse he wouldnt say NO to LFC one of the biggest clubs in the world, but my problem is about the people doing the hiring and the firing.

Purslow a financial expert, Broughton another financial expert these two men where brought in to sell the club to someone who can take us forward, so we where led to believe but no Purslow made the phone call to Rafa to say pack your bags and sling your hook obviously on the Yanks orders, Christie lar from Kirkdale season ticket holder who also attended Harvard with Hick's son. (Something fishy about this dont you think?) or maybe Im just being paranoid? That this wbanker is trying single handidly to bring the club to its knees by appointing such an uninspirational manager, a manager that wont say a peep when Torres & gerrard and who ever else get sold next month.

A manager who's poor record speaks for itself, a manager who does not play expansive football, a manager who has won 4 away games in two season over 38 games, what qualifies him to get the job? People say he's calm he will steady the ship well if Torres and Gerrard get sold and he agrees to it he better hope he has a lifeboard on board this ship because the amount of sh!t that will come his way he is going to need one.

The Liverpool job brings so much pressure Ged with his triple by pass, Rafa with his gaul stones plus he aged ten years, just why Roy would want this hassle at 63 years of age is anyones guess maybe he's a gluten for punishment.
The fans are fighting with each other, the fans hate the owners and the board, 80% of the fans dont want him here, we face a mass exodus of players leaving and big chunks of cash going towards the debt to keep them tw@tting owners at the helm for another year.

It is a poison challace alright and the people running it havent got a clue about The Liverpool Way, so people need to stop harping on Meh not a proper fan get behind the team and new manager or feck off and support someone else.
Not when the people in charge are doing everything unlike The Liverpool way.
Does anyone seriously think that Tom Hicks & George Gillett have heard of Roy Hodgeson before? The answer is NO!!!
And that is why this is feckin fishy and stinks of rotten fish by who's recommended him Christie lar from Kirkdale and Martin Broughton chelsea season ticket holder.

the phone call probably went something like this.

H&G: Christie sack rafa when he's on holiday.
CP: Yes boss
H&G: We need to get the debt down sell off the assets so we need someone who wont mind if we do that.
CP: Ive got the right man Roy Hodgeson.
H&G: Get him to sign on the dotted line.
CP: Yes boss.
Hangs up phone..............

Ofcourse I might/could be wrong and Roy will work wonders and our best players will stay and a few world class players will join, and if so I will hold my hands up and appoligise to Roy and say I called it wrong.

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:48 am

Reg wrote:The point is Bo, even if we raise 55m, people dont think for a moment we're going to be allowed to spend it. if we're in such a strong position then why would we be selling players? Come on mate, you know the SP.

Of course we will be able to spend it. There is absolutely no proof what-so-ever that we wont.

We spent all of it last year. We spent all of it the year before... and the year before that too.

by **Keris** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:20 am

Wow!! Woy on the way in, world class players on their way out, just can't wait for the new season to start. :cool:

(Sarcasm alert!!)

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