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by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:22 pm

Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Do you actually watch Fulham? ten men behind the ball that dont cross the half way line, he is one of the most boring defensive minded managers around.

Away from home embarrasing. I remember watching away in Hamburg. Parking the bus!!!

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:24 pm

puroresu wrote:Away from home embarrasing. I remember watching away in Hamburg. Parking the bus!!!

This wonderfull tactian Boodiddy is on about has won 4 out of 38 games away from home. Over two seasons :no

by **andy_g** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:27 pm

i can see what you're getting at boodiddy and i agree that hodgson likes to play a kind of football that as fans we'd like to watch, but i'm not so sure it would work out well. its fairly obvious that gerrard, and maybe even torres, are keeping an eye on the managerial situation before committing to the club and i'm not convinced that roy hodgson would excite them enough or signal enough ambition on the club's part to convince them to stay. masch is as good as gone, i reckon, and so we are looking at a hodgson team without 3 of our 4 most important players (pepe being the 4th). so ok, maybe we get over 100 million from the sales but we know as sure as hell that we'd be lucky to see half of that. but lets assume that we are lucky and have 50 million to spend in the very short time after the world cup. we're a team playing europa cup football, with a less than inspiring manager, and no marquee players to play alongside. we're obviously a club that isn't going to go anywhere fast.

if we want to accept a free flowing 442 style football with average players and hoping for top 6 or 7 finishes every season then lets go for roy. but if we want to get up where we should be quickly then we'd really better start looking at some of the bigger names. i know its a shame that we can't go back to some british boot room style set up but sadly football is a very different game nowadays.

by **boodiddy1** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:29 pm

Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Do you actually watch Fulham? ten men behind the ball that dont cross the half way line, he is one of the most boring defensive minded managers around.

ciggy its Fulham FFS. they play when they can. Ur assumptions are on displays against the top four.

Are u really forgetting the absolutely pathetic football that rafa brought to Anfield in the last couple of years? You cant moan about 10 behind the ball when certain games dictate that you must defend like :censored:

. Look at 2005 in Turin. 11 men behind the ball, were u complaining then?? I dont think so.

Dalglish coming back is fanciful. Why would you or anybody else want to tarnish his image. Granted, it could pay off, but it is a big IF.

by **andy_g** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 pm

obviously fulham's away style is not the football i am talking about, but at home at least fulham have alway set out to play an attacking game. there is a certain sensibility in hodgson's method as he knows that fulham would get tonked every time playing an open game away from home. not that he had much joy anyway...

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:39 pm

puroresu wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Do you actually watch Fulham? ten men behind the ball that dont cross the half way line, he is one of the most boring defensive minded managers around.

Away from home embarrasing. I remember watching away in Hamburg. Parking the bus!!!

WTF exactly would you have done if you were in charge for that game? Two up top, pass them off the park and smash in three or four? :laugh:

Do me a favour. Away from home in a two-legged tie with a group of players as limited as Fulham's, you sure as sh!t don't go there with your expansive game. You shut up shop, get them back to your place and squeeze through however you can. That's the sensible ploy. Did Mourinho's Inter go gung-ho at Stamford Bridge or the Camp Nou? Did they feck. Why? Because they would've got spanked.

by **Reg** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:43 pm

Wooooooooops my post is out of date already. You guys post too fast!

by **boodiddy1** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:47 pm

puroresu wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:Get a grip people. Roy hodgson will do a good job for this great club. Why are so many obsessed with foreign managers? Its easier to win the scuddetto than the premier league! Harry Redknapp, has done a wonderful job at spurs. He's only won the FA cup in 27 years of management. Hodgson has won more things but with smaller clubs. He got Switzerland FFS, to rank number 4 in the world! Something this golden generation of ours would love to be able to attain to.

Since Wenger, too many have jumped on the foreign band wagon. Ramos, Erikson, Grant, Cappello, Rafa etc. Havent been fantastic successes have they? CL win aside, 1 FA cup for 5 years is appalling. Houllier won more in one season!

We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Im an optimist, and really believe that we still have the nucleas of a very good team if they are playing without fear. Look what fear has been doing to the cream of englands talents? Now take the shackles off and players play 20-30% better.

If masch goes we get 30m extra to spend. So, we could have 55m to spend this summer. A good manger will get some good players for that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Ancolotti struggled to win the title for AC Milan. 1st season at Chelsea he wins the double. How do you explain this?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

Where in my post did i say hodgson won the scudetto?

If you cant read a post correctly, then why post that comment. Are you a journalist using spin?

Lots of variables for ancelotti winning the prem and double. Liverpool: much poorer than year before, due to no back up for injury prone torres. Infighting etc too much to menntion.
United: Lost worlds best player and their catalyst for the previous success. The likes of giggs, scholes, neville influence diminished due to age. Owen buy a massive gamble. Obertan and valencia new recruits. Were they stronger? NO!
Arsenal: Still not enough experince or steel to win the prem. Plan A of expansive football, walking the ball into the net. No plan B.

So there are a few reasons for Chelsea's success. They still have and had the remains and backbone of mourinho's era.

by **mrt** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:51 pm

Don't see how Dalglish can tarnish his legacy. We know the situation at the club. If it goes pear shaped it can't all be put on him. If he's prepared to put his reputation on the line, give him a go. He would not 'quit in 3 months'. Again, we know the circumstances which led to his resignation last time and, god willing, that's unlikely to happen again.

Sorry. Just read The Baron's Dalglish thread.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:54 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:
puroresu wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:Get a grip people. Roy hodgson will do a good job for this great club. Why are so many obsessed with foreign managers? Its easier to win the scuddetto than the premier league! Harry Redknapp, has done a wonderful job at spurs. He's only won the FA cup in 27 years of management. Hodgson has won more things but with smaller clubs. He got Switzerland FFS, to rank number 4 in the world! Something this golden generation of ours would love to be able to attain to.

Since Wenger, too many have jumped on the foreign band wagon. Ramos, Erikson, Grant, Cappello, Rafa etc. Havent been fantastic successes have they? CL win aside, 1 FA cup for 5 years is appalling. Houllier won more in one season!

We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Im an optimist, and really believe that we still have the nucleas of a very good team if they are playing without fear. Look what fear has been doing to the cream of englands talents? Now take the shackles off and players play 20-30% better.

If masch goes we get 30m extra to spend. So, we could have 55m to spend this summer. A good manger will get some good players for that.

Just how many scuddetto's did Hodgson win? Zero.

Ancolotti struggled to win the title for AC Milan. 1st season at Chelsea he wins the double. How do you explain this?

Oh and since when has Hodgson played expansive attacking football? I must of missed that.

Where in my post did i say hodgson won the scudetto?

If you cant read a post correctly, then why post that comment. Are you a journalist using spin?

Lots of variables for ancelotti winning the prem and double. Liverpool: much poorer than year before, due to no back up for injury prone torres. Infighting etc too much to menntion.
United: Lost worlds best player and their catalyst for the previous success. The likes of giggs, scholes, neville influence diminished due to age. Owen buy a massive gamble. Obertan and valencia new recruits. Were they stronger? NO!
Arsenal: Still not enough experince or steel to win the prem. Plan A of expansive football, walking the ball into the net. No plan B.

So there are a few reasons for Chelsea's success. They still have and had the remains and backbone of mourinho's era.

The point is your saying scudetto is so much easier to win the Prem but hodgson never won such an easy league. ancelotti in recent seasons couldnt even challenge for the title let alone win it. But hey its so much easier isnt it.

We dont need British. What we need is the best man for the job. If thats Hodgson then standards really have dropped.

by **boodiddy1** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:59 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Do you actually watch Fulham? ten men behind the ball that dont cross the half way line, he is one of the most boring defensive minded managers around.

Away from home embarrasing. I remember watching away in Hamburg. Parking the bus!!!

WTF exactly would you have done if you were in charge for that game? Two up top, pass them off the park and smash in three or four? Do me a favour. Away from home in a two-legged tie with a group of players as limited as Fulham's, you sure as sh!t don't go there with your expansive game. You shut up shop, get them back to your place and squeeze through however you can. That's the sensible ploy. Did Mourinho's Inter go gung-ho at Stamford Bridge or the Camp Nou? Did they feck. Why? Because they would've got spanked.

Exactly! Football people understand what needs to be done. If you want lovely watching, no trphies football. Then down south a group of arrogant young men play at the emirates. They moan when they get tackled like a bunch of fannies.

We really arent that bad. But, like ive said before, if players are playing with fear they dont perform!

I aint saying hodgson is the greatest manager out there, but we cant attain that just yet. However, Hodgson is a very good British manager. IMO second behind Taggart. I hate MON with a passion. Allardyce has gone backwards lately.

One final point, if Stevie or Torres want to leave due to the manager then as bad as it could be, i dont support player power, or Gerrard or Torres. I support Liverpool football Club like the majority on here. The manager must be respected or at least given a chance.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:05 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Do you actually watch Fulham? ten men behind the ball that dont cross the half way line, he is one of the most boring defensive minded managers around.

Away from home embarrasing. I remember watching away in Hamburg. Parking the bus!!!

WTF exactly would you have done if you were in charge for that game? Two up top, pass them off the park and smash in three or four? Do me a favour. Away from home in a two-legged tie with a group of players as limited as Fulham's, you sure as sh!t don't go there with your expansive game. You shut up shop, get them back to your place and squeeze through however you can. That's the sensible ploy. Did Mourinho's Inter go gung-ho at Stamford Bridge or the Camp Nou? Did they feck. Why? Because they would've got spanked.

Exactly! Football people understand what needs to be done. If you want lovely watching, no trphies football. Then down south a group of arrogant young men play at the emirates. They moan when they get tackled like a bunch of fannies.

We really arent that bad. But, like ive said before, if players are playing with fear they dont perform!

I aint saying hodgson is the greatest manager out there, but we cant attain that just yet. However, Hodgson is a very good British manager. IMO second behind Taggart. I hate MON with a passion. Allardyce has gone backwards lately.

One final point, if Stevie or Torres want to leave due to the manager then as bad as it could be, i dont support player power, or Gerrard or Torres. I support Liverpool football Club like the majority on here. The manager must be respected or at least given a chance.

Yeah cos Barcelona and Man Utd dont win trophies do they. Is that myth that u cant have attacking winning football still going around.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:08 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:Get a grip people. Roy hodgson will do a good job for this great club. Why are so many obsessed with foreign managers? Its easier to win the scuddetto than the premier league! Harry Redknapp, has done a wonderful job at spurs. He's only won the FA cup in 27 years of management. Hodgson has won more things but with smaller clubs. He got Switzerland FFS, to rank number 4 in the world! Something this golden generation of ours would love to be able to attain to.

Since Wenger, too many have jumped on the foreign band wagon. Ramos, Erikson, Grant, Cappello, Rafa etc. Havent been fantastic successes have they? CL win aside, 1 FA cup for 5 years is appalling. Houllier won more in one season!

We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Im an optimist, and really believe that we still have the nucleas of a very good team if they are playing without fear. Look what fear has been doing to the cream of englands talents? Now take the shackles off and players play 20-30% better.

If masch goes we get 30m extra to spend. So, we could have 55m to spend this summer. A good manger will get some good players for that.

You forgot to end your post with a couple of these
:laugh:

because without them people will think you are actually being serious ................

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:19 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:Get a grip people. Roy hodgson will do a good job for this great club. Why are so many obsessed with foreign managers? Its easier to win the scuddetto than the premier league! Harry Redknapp, has done a wonderful job at spurs. He's only won the FA cup in 27 years of management. Hodgson has won more things but with smaller clubs. He got Switzerland FFS, to rank number 4 in the world! Something this golden generation of ours would love to be able to attain to.

Since Wenger, too many have jumped on the foreign band wagon. Ramos, Erikson, Grant, Cappello, Rafa etc. Havent been fantastic successes have they? CL win aside, 1 FA cup for 5 years is appalling. Houllier won more in one season!

We need British and Hodgson is a calming influence, tactically sound, and plays football the right way. None of that dreary 1 up front, 2 holding midfielders pish.

Im an optimist, and really believe that we still have the nucleas of a very good team if they are playing without fear. Look what fear has been doing to the cream of englands talents? Now take the shackles off and players play 20-30% better.

If masch goes we get 30m extra to spend. So, we could have 55m to spend this summer. A good manger will get some good players for that.

Load of balls.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:41 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:I aint saying hodgson is the greatest manager out there, but we cant attain that just yet. However, Hodgson is a very good British manager. IMO second behind Taggart. I hate MON with a passion. Allardyce has gone backwards lately.

I'd definitely prefer Kenny or O'Neil to Hodgson, I just think that if we're going to look at Pellegrini, Rijkaard, Van Basten and co then Hodgson merits consideration, too. Firstly, he has enough of a record (a wealth of experience -in England and abroad - with patchy success) to distinguish him from Fat Sam and the like, and secondly we have a specific brief: More for less, with the overriding aim of achieving stability in the league. We don't necessarily need stylish football or success in the Europa League. Player recuitment will be an important part of the job and if it turns out that we have to wheel and deal this summer, it seems reasonable to consider that Hodgson's experience counts for something more than would otherwise be the case. Obviously though there's a lot to consider before making the decision, and you'd be a fool to base your decision on track record alone - particularly when there are no outstanding candidates with recent triumphs to their name - and in that respect our judgments are limited to an outsider's perspective. Here you may refer to any number of successful managers who didn't have the record before being given the chance e.g. Wenger - if the resident statto had made the decision, that ridiculous Frenchman would have been ruled out instantly.

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