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s@int wrote:This is the Rafa thread mate, I bash the owners in the Takeover thread. I thought that was the idea ?

bigmick wrote:"Rafa bashers" The owners are a seperate issue, and this is the Rafa Benitez thread. If you don't want to read posts about Rafa Benitez, don't go into the Rafa Benitez thread would seem to be the way to go.

We've spent years now dreaming up every single excuse imaginable, and now we've we've resorted to "but the owners are much more nasty and important, why don't we talk about them?".

The owners are C...s and criminals, but that doesn't mean that coming seventh in the league, two points ahead of Everton and 13 points ahead of Blackburn is anything other than a disgraceful effort. Why not offer up an opinion as to why it is an acceptable performance in your eyes, or why you think one title challenge in six seasons is acceptable, or why finishing four points behind Man Utd and then the following season not getting within 20 points of them is acceptable. I'll have a read of that alright.

Emerald Red wrote:but no; let's make another thread ripping the fat Spanish waiter instead,

There'smore apologists who dish out the so-called "abuse" to the manager than there is ever people who have doubts about him. I've never called him a name in my life, and the vast majority of people who don't rate him have either.

The excuse used for abusing all and sundry that "some of the abuse he gets is a disgrace" simply doesn't wash. I've been called all sorts on here, but in 10 000 odd posts, I would challenge anyone to find a single instance where I've called ther manager a name or abused him.

If you want to talk about the owners, or Lucas, or the Lucas/Masherano axis then feel free. Make a football post about anything and I'll gladly join in (you won't get much response of many other people, football posting is practically dead in the water on here). I don't even give a feck which thread you post it in, post up a theory about anything to do with football and I'll happily talk till my hearts content. Quit the whinging though about other people posting what is in their head, it's fecking tiresome.

Emerald Red wrote:

s@int wrote:This is the Rafa thread mate, I bash the owners in the Takeover thread. I thought that was the idea ?

That's a takeover thread. Only ONE of those threads exist on here, and it's not neccessarily directed towards the two rats, is it? It's all speculation, for the majority of it, not page after page, rant after rant about how sh*t they are and what w@nkers they are. Funnily enough, there are about 10 other topics on our manager on here that do just that. Hardly what I would call a fair balance. What about a thread designed soley just for ripping into those pair and nothing else? You'd think one such thread would exist on here already, but no; let's make another thread ripping the fat Spanish waiter instead, and that's not including the match threads that go along with it. You can change the manager, but you can't change the fate of this football club if we don't change the owners. Get some perspective.

Emerald Red wrote:I wonder if some of you Rafa bashers could put as much effort into bashing our owners as you do our manager by either writing a novel on why they are c*nts, or why they are no good for our football club? No? Ah, well.  So much for "getting angry at the right people" on here.

Benny The Noon wrote:Is the manager not out of your control as well saint

bigmick wrote:

Penguins wrote:

bigmick wrote:I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose .

Well, the problem is I don't see such a man to exist.
Wenger is close, but I haven't seen a clone of him around....

Someone who never makes mistakes, gosh I sure would love such a person as manager. I wish pigs would fly to. That doesn't mean it is possible.

You pleb. Where in my post have I talked about someone not making mistakes? I don't know why you bother quoting my stuff before you make up youir own nonsense, it bares no resemblance to what you're on about.

We don't need a manager who makes no mistakes, because such a person doesn't exist. We do need a manager who makes less mistakes than our one does, and we also need one who can inspire the players. It really is as simple as that, I can't for the life of me understand why you don't get my point. Disagree with it by all means, but your constant desperation to claim people have said things which they haven't is tedious at best, fecking annoying at worst.

I am not going to resort to petty namecalling like you, but just claim that you are still are in dreamland both when it comes to believing that a manager can make us title challengers in our current situation as he needs to be Mr Perfect then.
Secondly for believing any manager would come the second the club gives a call no matter what because of "our great history" even if there wasn't a pot to in.

And when it comes to O'Neill....
You can't just look at one season isolated. Villa surely ended 1 pt ahead of us this season. But ffs, that is the only time these past years they have been close to us. Rafa has been to more CL semi finals that would last Villa an eternity. When did Villa win the FA cup or the CL? Win the CL?
And still that O'Neill has managed to outspend us these past 4 years. And his style of play is the most boring, predictable there is. And Rafa is rather predictable which says something...

Benny The Noon wrote:Is the manager not out of your control as well saint

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Is the manager not out of your control as well saint

You missed this off ?


It doesn't feel like one of your posts otherwise.

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Is the manager not out of your control as well saint

You missed this off ?


It doesn't feel like one of your posts otherwise.

Hey listen micheal don't you start about not insulting people , you called someone a pleb before 

s@int wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Is the manager not out of your control as well saint

No mate, if enough people believe Rafa should go ..... he will have to go willing or not. No matter how many believe the owners should go, they will only go when the money is right.