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mart wrote:

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

Spending money on a top squad with good subs gives you stability over a whole season.

mart wrote:

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

Spending money on a top squad with good subs gives you stability over a whole season.

There is irony in your post that Im not sure you see...?
We did finish above those teams, but that surely should mean that we should beat them comfortably?
As far as spending is concerned: Rafa is great at spending but not so good at buying

mart wrote:

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

We beat Utd, does that mean they  also suck   

Penguins wrote:

bigmick wrote:I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose .

Well, the problem is I don't see such a man to exist.
Wenger is close, but I haven't seen a clone of him around....

Someone who never makes mistakes, gosh I sure would love such a person as manager. I wish pigs would fly to. That doesn't mean it is possible.

Redman in wales wrote:losing the odd game doesn't mean a thing, so no - utd losing to bunley or chelsea losing to wigan doesn't mean they "suck" as you put it. Winning the league (or getting close to it) is about consistancy. You can have the odd blip, but the tops teams will win a majority of their games. And we've been consistantly poor, and failed to win more than half of our league games this season

Sir Roger wrote:

mart wrote:

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

Spending money on a top squad with good subs gives you stability over a whole season.

There is irony in your post that Im not sure you see...?
We did finish above those teams, but that surely should mean that we should beat them comfortably?
As far as spending is concerned: Rafa is great at spending but not so good at buying

bigmick wrote:

Penguins wrote:

bigmick wrote:I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose .

Well, the problem is I don't see such a man to exist.
Wenger is close, but I haven't seen a clone of him around....

Someone who never makes mistakes, gosh I sure would love such a person as manager. I wish pigs would fly to. That doesn't mean it is possible.

You pleb. Where in my post have I talked about someone not making mistakes? I don't know why you bother quoting my stuff before you make up youir own nonsense, it bares no resemblance to what you're on about.

We don't need a manager who makes no mistakes, because such a person doesn't exist. We do need a manager who makes less mistakes than our one does, and we also need one who can inspire the players. It really is as simple as that, I can't for the life of me understand why you don't get my point. Disagree with it by all means, but your constant desperation to claim people have said things which they haven't is tedious at best, fecking annoying at worst.

Pleb    

Mick getting angry  , Tw@t  no , c.unt no , sh!thead no .

Pleb , get in the Mick lad .

Anyway i think he manager that ticks your boxes is obviously Mourinho ,but (and i'm trying not to slash my wrists while typing this) i honestly don't think we'll have the Type of spending power for him at the moment . So Rafa could resign and we could offer Mourinho a good pay package , but only offer him a limited budget and not all the money he makes from player sales. So there's a good chance that he'll get us back to fourth next year .Will that be enough for him ? Will he want x amount of money next year ? No i seriously think that at the moment we are out of the price range for the very top class managers. Unless they come to us because we are LFC ,but i doubt because well footballs not like that anymore . So we're deffo looking at a Woy Hodgson or O'neiil type , because we can afford them , they can work with a budget and are obviously capable of making the most of the squad we have now.

If Rafa was to go there's nothing more i'd love than another top class manger to take his place and to have the budget to go with it , but at the moment in time we realistically with our owners and our financial state have to set our sights a tad lower and hope the new man can do better than Rafa can /could do .

bigmick wrote:You pleb. Where in my post have I talked about someone not making mistakes? I don't know why you bother quoting my stuff before you make up youir own nonsense, it bares no resemblance to what you're on about.

We don't need a manager who makes no mistakes, because such a person doesn't exist. We do need a manager who makes less mistakes than our one does, and we also need one who can inspire the players. It really is as simple as that, I can't for the life of me understand why you don't get my point. Disagree with it by all means, but your constant desperation to claim people have said things which they haven't is tedious at best, fecking annoying at worst.

Did you call-in the other day Mick?

"He's not... A... Motivator..."

Igor Zidane wrote:So we're deffo looking at a Woy Hodgson or O'neiil type , because we can afford them , they can work with a budget and are obviously capable of making the most of the squad we have now.

mart wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

mart wrote:

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

Spending money on a top squad with good subs gives you stability over a whole season.

There is irony in your post that Im not sure you see...?
We did finish above those teams, but that surely should mean that we should beat them comfortably?
As far as spending is concerned: Rafa is great at spending but not so good at buying

Just like ManUre beat leeds comfortably?

Im not really interested in how the skanks got on against leeds
Im more interested in how we couldnt beat sh'ite teams with the players weve got

stmichael wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:So we're deffo looking at a Woy Hodgson or O'neiil type , because we can afford them , they can work with a budget and are obviously capable of making the most of the squad we have now.

The thought of that overrated long ball hoof merchant O'Neill managing our club makes me cry. All of his signings bar three have come from England, he's done the majority of his business in the final hours of the transfer window. He's a manager with no apparent scouting network and no obvious plan for buying players.

And yet this term his side have finished above us .

I'm not advocating that he or anyone else should replace Rafa BUT given that one of the many brickbats aimed at Rafa is that "he doesn't understand the Premiership" should we (if Rafa goes) give priority to finding a manager well versed in "English" football .

If thats the case I imagine the list of realistic candidates will be quite short and would include O'Neil and god forbid even Gollum from across the park !