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by **bigmick** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:32 am

I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose

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by **lakes10** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:11 am

"here and now."

good point Mick, the problem is that the club dont know what the now is, they dont know what the banks are going to do, they dont know what the manager is going to do.

Buying new players is going to be very hard for any manager at our club right now.

by **TonyDP10** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:45 am

Hello everyone. I return here after real day. Benitez then remains at liverpool? or go away?

by **Penguins** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:45 am

bigmick wrote:I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose .

Well, the problem is I don't see such a man to exist.
Wenger is close, but I haven't seen a clone of him around....

Someone who never makes mistakes, gosh I sure would love such a person as manager. I wish pigs would fly to. That doesn't mean it is possible.

Instead what City and Chelski has shown, is that when you are far behind the top spending around the same as the current cream of the crop will get you nowhere as the difference in class when you start is vast.

Chelski and City saw with their own eyes they were far behind and needed a new team to be able to challenge and went out and spent a couple of hundred millions to that.

We saw with our own eyes 03/04 that we were far behind and only a fantastic(maybe his best) season from Gerrard saved us from disaster. We needed to build a whole new team and what did we do? Gave the manager enough to get 1 or 2 players/season. Big surprise things doesn't go well then...

What some has to realise is that Liverpool Fc= guaranteed winning and haven't been for a long time now.

Financial power=guarateed winning is the name of the game right now as Chelski has shown.
No history, plastic fans, plastic team, but still winners.

Still even if we spent 0 yet again this summer and the next, and the one after that many still believe we will challenge for the title cause we are LFC. Just mindboggling how far from reality you can go... :no

by **sixbuster** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:53 am

bigmick wrote:I don't (unsurprisingly) think that if you had untold millions to spend Rafa is the best man to spend it for us. Evidence points to the contrary, as evidence also points to the fact that even if he did have a fantastic group of players to work with, an over cautious mentality and a trigger finger hovering over the "unnecessary tinker" button would be enough to lose the title rather than win it. That's just my opinion though, and of course everyone is entitled to their own.

One thing which does baffle me somewhat though is when people often refer to Rafa having enough money to go and buy who he wants, a blank cheque book effectively. "Let's see how he does then" etc etc. Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are? Buying the club is going to cost quite a few quid, and the idea that some fresh owner is going to say "tell you what Rafa lad, I've spent best part of a billion quid as it is so there's 250 mill feck it, in for a penny in for a pound" just doesn't ring true to me. Also, how long is this process going to take?

Surely we are best off dealing with the here and now. We need a manager who can absolutely maximise the resources already at his disposal, regenerate belief in the players, through excellence of man-management get them to run through brick walls to over-achieve. We need someone who can purchase for the first team imaginitively and shrewdly, who can come up with a game plan which suits our personel. And some of you think Rafa is that man? It's all opinions I suppose .

excellent, first class post,I agree entirely. Keep it up

by **dawson99** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:53 am

Skybet makes it interesting:

Rafa to be in Charge of Liverpool 1st game next season:

No: 1/3
Yes: 9/4

I know we need money, but look at our squard, look at hulls, how can the manager not motivate a team last game of the season? Yeah unlucky hitting the post blah blah blah but we just dont wanna play football

by **kazza** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:54 am

bigmick wrote:Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are?

Better than Maureen being our next manager, but that has not stopped you pinning your hopes to the flag pole.

City spent in one season what Rafa "spent" in six years.

by **lakes10** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:56 am

well another week starts and more meetings to try to work out whas going on and what is going to happen next.........no i am not talking about Con/Lib's. Rafa and our club are set for more meetins this week.

I would think they would meet today, most years they meet the manager the Monday after the end of the season.
With the world cup starting in a few weeks the club will look to sort things out right now before their big names go on show.

I get the feeling that we will know where we stand with Rafa by the end of the week.

by **kazza** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:56 am

lakes10 wrote:the problem is that the club dont know what the now is, they dont know what the banks are going to do, they dont know what the manager is going to do.

Apparently you know so why not tell them (ask your mates

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by **lakes10** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:04 am

kazza wrote:
lakes10 wrote:the problem is that the club dont know what the now is, they dont know what the banks are going to do, they dont know what the manager is going to do.

Apparently you know so why not tell them (ask your mates )

ok put it this way, if you gave someone loads of money and they could not pay it back but they told you they was going to sell stuff and pay you back....but took so long trying to find someone to sell to, what would you do.

1. you could tell them to sell to the best bidder

2. you could go to the small court to they and get you money back....this might end up with that person going bust.
you dont get your money back there and then, it might take a year or so.

3. you sit back and do nothing apart from give them more time to get the money.

what would you do.

on that note, off to work.

by **Teshie** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:05 am

dawson99 wrote:Skybet makes it interesting:

Rafa to be in Charge of Liverpool 1st game next season:

No: 1/3
Yes: 9/4

I know we need money,

lol just had an idea of how to get out of debt ^^

by **Redman in wales** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:17 am

kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are?

Better than Maureen being our next manager, but that has not stopped you pinning your hopes to the flag pole.

City spent in one season what Rafa "spent" in six years.

Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Its not always about how much money you've spent or not getting your number 1 targets. Its about coaching, tactics, motivation, systems and playing football.

Throughout all our injuries and money worries, we still have the squad to beat these teams, but we cant.

by **mart** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:28 am

Redman in wales wrote:Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Still in this sucky season we finished above all the teams you mentioned in the table.

Chelsea lost to wigan too if i remember correctly. Does that mean chelsea sucks? Or what about ManU losing against burnley or leeds?

Spending money on a top squad with good subs gives you stability over a whole season.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:40 am

bigmick wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
I've never called the manager any names, and very few of the people who think we need a change have...

... Mick... abuse doesn't mean just name calling... it includes ridiculous accusations as well...

"Ridiculous accusations"? I'll tell you what's ridiculous when it comes to the Benitez discussions. It's ridiculous when whenever we win a match it's down to manegerial genius, but whenever we lose one it's down to the owners. It's ridiculous that we can finish seventh in the league just above Everton and it's down to the owners. It's ridiculous when we get beat at Home by Reading in the FA Cup and some people come on here and talk about transfer spend. It's ridiculous that people bleat about transfer spend when we've outspent Man Utd and Arsenal since Benitez has been manager. It's ridiculous when we sign two 20 million pound footballers who don't get in the team and people say it isn't the managers fault. It's ridiculous that we sign a striker for 20 million quid, sell him for 12 and people say we lost 1 million. It's ridiculous that we sign a 20 million pound midfielder but because the initial downpayment was 5 million, that's the only figure people want to include. It's ridiculous that people used to refer to the seven years it took Ferguson to win the title at Man Utd, but now they don't mention it anymore. It's ridiculous that people try and pretend that pre season games are irrelevent, that players decide on the spur of the moment who is taking set pieces, that Benitez is an inspiring man manager. It's ridiculous that any former player, however much of a legend he may be, is called absolutely all sorts if he doesn't buy into the Rafa Krishna sect. It's ridiculous also that if you don't buy in your not a real fan, but if you do and you have a street party that we made seventh, you are. It's ridiculous that the manager can't see that the Lucas/Masherano axis is doomed to failure ("so you know better than Rafa then?" ANSWER on this subject yes I do obviously), and it's ridiculous that people try and defend such incompetence.

I have never known in my life a subject be a catalyst for so many absolutely ridiculous excuses as the Benitez tenure at Anfield. If it's not beachalls, it's refs, or the owners or the media or fecking Parry.

There is much ridiculousness in the Benitez debate, hence why I don't really bother any more. Some people would deny the sky is bluwe on a sunny day if it served their ends, it's fecking ridiculous alright, as is being called a c... and not a real fan and being told to feck off by someone who's bought in.

Stirring stuff!

by **dawson99** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:40 am

Redman in wales wrote:
kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:Even if you do believe believe believe that under those circumstances he would excell, I have to ask what do you think the chances of that happening are?

Better than Maureen being our next manager, but that has not stopped you pinning your hopes to the flag pole.

City spent in one season what Rafa "spent" in six years.

Rafa has spent more in one season than Hull have in 6 seasons.

And we still cant beat them.... Or Stoke. Or Wigan. Or Sunderland. Or Wolves. Or Reading (h & a!) Or Portsmouth.

Its not always about how much money you've spent or not getting your number 1 targets. Its about coaching, tactics, motivation, systems and playing football.

Throughout all our injuries and money worries, we still have the squad to beat these teams, but we cant.

exactermondo!

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