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Beachdrifter wrote:I agree Kopite-7

He has bought some good players If we had kept Crouch, Alonso, Riise, Keane I think we would have won the title, seriously. For me he doesn't show any passion, he's got a habit of playing a striker up front on his own with midfielders trying to brake forward and support him. Gerrard, who a couple of season back was one of the top midfielders in the world and scoring goals from there, is now playing too far up the pitch so we are losing his passing and drive from midfield and this zonal marking for set pieces. learn and change.
Also all this talk of players leaving. If they are under contract to the club the they stay at the club until they are ready to be sold by the club. No player is bigger than Liverpool FC.
Lets look forward to next season, let start with hope in our hearts.
Get new owners, invest in the club and whoever the manager is support him.

YNWA

I agree with alot of what you say.

I wont join in with the fickle bunch who say Rafa is terrible and insult the man. We were all chanting his name when we won in Istanbul, when we won the FA cup, reached a second champions league final and had our best finish yet in the premier league. So to turn round and make fickle remarks about Rafa is unfair and its not what Liverpool fans do. Were better than that.

I know we are all frustrated and things are a complete mess but see what happens.

Yanks out - Thats a must

Then we will hopefully have some investors who will show us the fibre of their fabric and give us some dosh to spend   

teamleader1 wrote:

Penguins wrote:I do agree with that. I don't think Rafa has been tactically spot on this season, far from it to say the least.

But unlike others I believe there is no such thing as a fairytale manager who can improve things that significantly with the turmoil presently at the club. Every manager will make mistakes
and with the vermin selecting a manager, it makes me even less confident.

I am just annoyed when people say Rafa has been fully backed in the market to have us challenge every year which is a load of ****.
When Houllier had 15 million net to spend a season and Rafa has had 15 million the circumstances were totally different.
10 years ago 15 million was a lot of money and could buy practically everyone but the very best.
Now 15 million isn't that much(in the footballing world) and will hardly get you a top class player anymore.
Not to mention the fact that 10 years ago there was only Manure and who was really "up there".

Since Rafa took over the playing field has totally changed.

Now, Chelski and City are just blowing everyone away with Spurs making noise also. Not to mention that Manure and is still there.
But we go on with the same backing as of 10 year ago and expect results. Not going to happen.

Yes we all know that a few others have more money available to them than Rafa
That point has never been the issue, its the fact that he has had more than enough money and time to put together a decent settled side that has fluidity and style
The reality is that after 6 years under Rafa we look like a bunch of strangers and play negative boring football
This has everything to do with Rafa's poor judgement on many fronts
I think hes a control freak who since the loss of Pako & Paco has lost his way and we are now seeing the results of his bad judgement calls.
The owners or his transfer pot have nothing to do with the level of the we are watching!

bavlondon wrote:

We seemed to be playing decent football last season when we pushed the mancs all the way. We just sidestepped a bit by not bringing in a proper replacement for Xabi that's all. Rafa's net spend a season is something like £25Mil. Utd, Chelsea and City spend that on 1 player and then go for more. We don't have that kind of money.

We never played anything that special for a fair bit of last season, and for me it was only when Rafa was doing his best to avoid the sack that he threw caution to the wind a bit.
And finishing 2nd with LFC is not exactly the be all and end all.
My point is that hes had more than enough time and money to have put together a decent squad with a strong first eleven.
I think its rich listening to him basicly making out hes blameless for the state of the squad and the first team
After 6 years 

bavlondon wrote:He isn't blameless and has never even presumed to come across as blameless. But at the end of the day you have to ask had he not been mucked about by the owners with spending in the past we might not be in the position we are in today. He can only buy with what he is given. As I said before he was asked to go and buy a KFC when he only had enough for a McDonalds. I feel sorry for him, any other manager would have walked away.

I just hope we still have all our key players come August.

puroresu wrote:

Penguins wrote:And, horrible thought, what if the squad is toon thin and just not good enough?
Wait, that would be too simple now, would it?

Then I look at the man that produced that squad.  Forgive me for thinking LFC should be expected to finish a lot higher than 7th, not lose 19 games, have a decent run in Europe's #1 tournament and to be able to beat Reading FC. 

Or have standards dropped that much we accept this as the norm now?

Reg wrote:How much of the tension within the club filters down to the players I wonder? I dont believe they are either unaware, uncaring or unaffected to some degree.

Of course they aren't unaffected which is what I have been trying to say. Confidence is something that might get bandied about too much, but if a player isn't confident then the team will suffer.

The the vermin have provided not only in lack of funding but in worthless media coverage won't leave anyone unaffected.

How a team with 2 in the FIFA best XI is failing?

Add players that would do well to even be in the division like
Lucas, Insua, Ngog, Kuyt, Degen, Babel for example and you have your answer.

One of the biggest reasons why I don't think Rafa has been backed enough is the need of a total team rebuilding when Rafa arrived. Besides Gerrard and Carra there wasn't anything to build on. Some may disagree but I thought the team Houllier left behind was poor, especially looking towards the future.
Most other key players were already around 30 which made it impossible to build around them as the team was 30 pts behind the winners that season. It needed more than just 1-2 players which meant every player needed to be replaced. Our rivals were in no such need. Arsenal had a great team, Chelski spnet a fortune and Manure had several players from the treble year and had added players like Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo etc.
We hadn't made a purchese for over 2 years that turned out to be good when GH left.
And no, kewell was for a example a disaster.

Emerald Red wrote:Mornin'.

I think I'll start the day by staying this:















































FUCK OFF, YOU YANK CUNTS!

Mornin ER