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by **puroresu** » Sun May 09, 2010 8:55 pm

Penguins wrote:And, horrible thought, what if the squad is toon thin and just not good enough?
Wait, that would be too simple now, would it?

Then I look at the man that produced that squad. Forgive me for thinking LFC should be expected to finish a lot higher than 7th, not lose 19 games, have a decent run in Europe's #1 tournament and to be able to beat Reading FC.

Or have standards dropped that much we accept this as the norm now?

by **Penguins** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:02 pm

No, it isn't good enough. But how can you say this is the norm?
This is 1 season, which doesn't make it a norm.

There is absolutely no chance that the turmoil in the club hasn't affected the squad in many ways, both morally and physiologically. We went into the summer with much hope last year riding on a high knowing that adding maybe a few quality players like Silva would puch us beyond. Instead we loose our most important midfielder and get no money to spend while seeing teams below us making strides. Players aren't robots, who doesn't give a :censored:

what happens at the club and how bleak/promising the future looks like.

And you can never look at one off games to determine how bad/ good a team is. Then Manure must be awful since they lost to Leeds and Burnley. Which is untrue.

by **puroresu** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:19 pm

Penguins wrote:No, it isn't good enough. But how can you say this is the norm?
This is 1 season, which doesn't make it a norm.

There is absolutely no chance that the turmoil in the club hasn't affected the squad in many ways, both morally and physiologically. We went into the summer with much hope last year riding on a high knowing that adding maybe a few quality players like Silva would puch us beyond. Instead we loose our most important midfielder and get no money to spend while seeing teams below us making strides. Players aren't robots, who doesn't give a what happens at the club and how bleak/promising the future looks like.

And you can never look at one off games to determine how bad/ good a team is. Then Manure must be awful since they lost to Leeds and Burnley. Which is untrue.

It isnt one game thought is it. Reading was just a number of many defeats and many draws v opposition we should be beating.

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:28 pm

neil wrote:
Penguins wrote:And, horrible thought, what if the squad is toon thin and just not good enough?
Wait, that would be too simple now, would it?

19 internationals in the 30odd man squad

one of them is Lucas FWIW - the fact that they're internationals indicates little IMO

by **neil** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:33 pm

Greavesie wrote:
neil wrote:
Penguins wrote:And, horrible thought, what if the squad is toon thin and just not good enough?
Wait, that would be too simple now, would it?

19 internationals in the 30odd man squad

one of them is Lucas FWIW - the fact that they're internationals indicates little IMO

who bought him? rafa for £6million, what is your point?

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:35 pm

my point is that the fact they are internationals doesnt say much about the particular players quality. Nothing more

by **Penguins** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:39 pm

Greavesie wrote:my point is that the fact they are internationals doesnt say much about the particular players quality. Nothing more

So is Degen which makes that point kind of irrelevant.

by **neil** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:39 pm

but it gives one an insight into what rafa squanders £6 million on though doesnt it?

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:43 pm

Yep, personally I reckon there's a good number of players in the squad that aren't good enough to be in it. International or not. And yes, Rafa signed them

by **Penguins** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:44 pm

So at one hand you claim Rafa is terrible at buying but the squad is obviously good enough to challenge for the title otherwise it is poor from a manager....

Makes sense...

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:48 pm

Penguins wrote:So at one hand you claim Rafa is terrible at buying but the squad is obviously good enough to challenge for the title otherwise it is poor from a manager....

Makes sense...

There's much more to consider than just Rafa's buying of players. There's so much going on at the club and I'd rather those issues were sorted before trusting a corrupt pair of tw@ts selecting a new manager

I can see Rafa's faults I ain't blind to them, but those who criticise him are blind to his good points. I have NEVER said I am pro Rafa - I'm torn with what I'd do with him

by **Penguins** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:53 pm

I do agree with that. I don't think Rafa has been tactically spot on this season, far from it to say the least.

But unlike others I believe there is no such thing as a fairytale manager who can improve things that significantly with the turmoil presently at the club. Every manager will make mistakes
and with the vermin selecting a manager, it makes me even less confident.

I am just annoyed when people say Rafa has been fully backed in the market to have us challenge every year which is a load of ****.
When Houllier had 15 million net to spend a season and Rafa has had 15 million the circumstances were totally different.
10 years ago 15 million was a lot of money and could buy practically everyone but the very best.
Now 15 million isn't that much(in the footballing world) and will hardly get you a top class player anymore.
Not to mention the fact that 10 years ago there was only Manure and :censored:

who was really "up there".

Since Rafa took over the playing field has totally changed.

Now, Chelski and City are just blowing everyone away with Spurs making noise also. Not to mention that Manure and :censored:

is still there.
But we go on with the same backing as of 10 year ago and expect results. Not going to happen.

by **lakes10** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:05 pm

i am going to post this, i have been thnking about it since i sawON on tv today after the game.

I think Rafa will now be here next year, dont get me wrong i dont think he should be.

Jose Mourinhos price is too high, we can not give him the spending money he is looking for.

talks with Rafa and Juventus fell apart as they would not give him the power he has at Liverpool.

the amount of debt come out in the pres on friday

MON todays says that he will be happy to be at his club next year.

.............................I think the truth is that DUE TO OUR DEBT the owners can not find a big named manager to take the job if Rafa left.

Rafa all of a sudden thought me might have burnt his bridges with Liverpool over what his agent has said.....he run back to the club and started having meetings trying to keep his job and to play down the link with other clubs.

(what the bets that as soon as i post this liverpool sack him lol)

by **Penguins** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:08 pm

lakes10 wrote:i am going to post this, i have been thnking about it since i sawON on tv today after the game.

I think Rafa will now be here next year, dont get me wrong i dont think he should be.

Jose Mourinhos price is too high, we can not give him the spending money he is looking for.

talks with Rafa and Juventus fell apart as they would not give him the power he has at Liverpool.

the amount of debt come out in the pres on friday

MON todays says that he will be happy to be at his club next year.

.............................I think the truth is that DUE TO OUR DEBT the owners can not find a big named manager to take the job if Rafa left.

Rafa all of a sudden thought me might have burnt his bridges with Liverpool over what his agent has said.....he run back to the club and started having meetings trying to keep his job and to play down the link with other clubs.

(what the bets that as soon as i post this liverpool sack him lol)

But who would Mourinho say no?

We are such a great club and he would have a chance to prove himself and make us challenging again with no money.
And he would be able to come back to the PL....

by **only me** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:09 pm

Rafa's biggest fault is his inability to learn from his mistakes ,and we can't afford sticking to a stubborn goat - Anyone can have an Off season ,bad signing ,Bad tactics but the man show Catatonic behaviour doesn't change an inch ,same failing tactics ,same players ,same attitude - we need to take a chance espcially with our current condition on a creative manager ,not a predictable Robot

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