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by **devaney** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:49 pm

Ciggy wrote:Who ever blames Rafa for that loss is 1 not a Liverpool fan and for 2. should feck off and support someone else.

Ciggy - sorry mate you're talking rubbish! One word - BABEL !!!!!!!!!! And possibly just one more ALONSO !!!!!!!

Rafa started Babel for some reason best known to himself and waited far too long as usual to change things.

As for Alonso it is very early days and I am very excited about Aquilani as he will offer more in attack. But let's face it Rafa made Alonso feel about as welcome as a hole in a jonny at the end of last season and the rest is history. One thing for certain we missed him today and Rafa has to take some of the blame.

Rafa got things working with Torres and Gerrard so what does he do at the beginning of last season p.sses around with Keane and the only time we really begun to play football and look good was when Keane left and then it took a month to sort things out. So at the beginning of this season true to form good old stubborn Rafa starts with Babel after Benny had showed at the end of last season that he deserved a starting place! And when it all looks lost he brings on Voronin.

Ciggy blame the owners for that if you want but we are talking about a manager that has won nothing for 3 years and has had a lot of money to spend - over £80m to be precise taking into account what he has sold. Just tell me this - what has come out of the academy during that time. Is that the fault of the owners as well. Take a look at what Arsenal have achieved in this area and they have also spent very little by comparison.

Sorry to sound so p.ssed off but what is going on!

by **akumaface** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:50 pm

We deserved to lose as we looked totally unprepared.....What the fu*ck happened?? Lucas and Mascher was too deep and most of the time standing next to each other....Yes, we have injuries but what pisses me off is that Rafa keep repeating his mistake of not putting the best team on the pitch from the start.....We were playing at least one player short with the inclusion of Babel....I think Babel is now surpassing Lucas as the most overated and frustrated player in the squad.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:50 pm

The_Rock wrote:
only me wrote:If Rafa thinks that we can replicate last season performance with more or less the exact players his tripping - last season was pure heroism from the lads but it's no substance for lack of a deep talented squad ,Johnson was the only positive addition this pre-season and thats not enough ,Lucas and Babel have no place in Liverpool and no way in starting eleven if Rafa can't see it he will feel it ,Today was the first dose.

If Rafa think he can place the whole season on Torres and SG back's he is facing bitter disappointment ,they need help meaning another quality striker and another creative Mid.

Yes he is a genious tactician but there is a limit to how long you can cover your weaknesses.

Good point....noone seems to remember we were very lucky in quite a few games last season (with all the sending offs....against alonso). So many last minute goals....

If Benitez thinks we can replicate that this season....then i think he had really lost it.

Are you sure you're not sitting there with a United or Chelsea top on?

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:50 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance?

Because sometimes even the underdog or the little people can have their day in football? Some of you would swap Harry Redknapp based off a lucky win last season and this one over a manager that really does have his work cut out for him managing one of the biggest, and most skint clubs on the planet, yet still manages to bring us in line with the likes of your Barca's, Madrids and United's of the world who are loaded.

Stop looking at the world thru rose-tinted glasses mate. He picked a duff team which most pundits would have and did disagree with. Especially on the Babel thing.
We don't have enough cover at the back and the manager - as would be expected of him - HAS to put it to the owners to stump up the cash for cover. He didn't and we suffered today.
And against a team like Stoke who pretty much go the aerial route full-stop, we're gonna suffer.
Rafa fooked up today. His players let themselves down as well.
Stop living on glories like the Champions League results etc...we are a long, long way from anything like that if the past 2 months are anything to go on...

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:51 pm

I confidently predict WE WILL WIN A GAME THIS SEASON, so stop panicking at the first sign of trouble.

by **heimdall** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:52 pm

Effes wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Effes wrote:I defo blame Rafa for playing Babel ahead of Benayoun.

Most people on here were saying such before kick off.

Maybe Yossi played 90 mins for Israel midweek and was hlaf way around the world No?

They played away in Northern Ireland

Ciggy you must learn to think before posting, that is priceless. :wwww

by **Effes** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:53 pm

s@int wrote:I confidently predict WE WILL WIN A GAME THIS SEASON, so stop panicking at the first sign of trouble.

You happy clapper! :angry:

by **tubby** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:53 pm

s@int wrote:I confidently predict WE WILL WIN A GAME THIS SEASON, so stop panicking at the first sign of trouble.

Just a game Saint?

The best thing to do now is just forget about this result and look to Wednesday. Our first home game. It can't possibly be as bad as today.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:54 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:We don't have enough cover at the back and the manager - as would be expected of him - HAS to put it to the owners to stump up the cash for cover. He didn't and we suffered today.

He didn't? And we know this how? Come on, mate. There's fair criticism (selecting Babel ahead of Benayoun today) and then there's baseless speculation. We're all frustrated with the 'performance' today but let's not get carried away.

by **heimdall** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:55 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance?

Because sometimes even the underdog or the little people can have their day in football? Some of you would swap Harry Redknapp based off a lucky win last season and this one over a manager that really does have his work cut out for him managing one of the biggest, and most skint clubs on the planet, yet still manages to bring us in line with the likes of your Barca's, Madrids and United's of the world who are loaded.

yeah £120million net spend over 5 seasons is a bit of a squeeze isn't it, must make us one of the poorest clubs in the world. :no

by **tubby** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:57 pm

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance?

Because sometimes even the underdog or the little people can have their day in football? Some of you would swap Harry Redknapp based off a lucky win last season and this one over a manager that really does have his work cut out for him managing one of the biggest, and most skint clubs on the planet, yet still manages to bring us in line with the likes of your Barca's, Madrids and United's of the world who are loaded.

yeah £120million net spend over 5 seasons is a bit of a squeeze isn't it, must make us one of the poorest clubs in the world.

Leave of mate you know very well its a 1 in 1 our senario. It's not like Rafa was given a pot of 120Mil and just said spend it as you please.

by **heimdall** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:58 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
only me wrote:If Rafa thinks that we can replicate last season performance with more or less the exact players his tripping - last season was pure heroism from the lads but it's no substance for lack of a deep talented squad ,Johnson was the only positive addition this pre-season and thats not enough ,Lucas and Babel have no place in Liverpool and no way in starting eleven if Rafa can't see it he will feel it ,Today was the first dose.

If Rafa think he can place the whole season on Torres and SG back's he is facing bitter disappointment ,they need help meaning another quality striker and another creative Mid.

Yes he is a genious tactician but there is a limit to how long you can cover your weaknesses.

Good point....noone seems to remember we were very lucky in quite a few games last season (with all the sending offs....against alonso). So many last minute goals....

If Benitez thinks we can replicate that this season....then i think he had really lost it.

Are you sure you're not sitting there with a United or Chelsea top on?

So you win the prize for the first person to come out with that old cherished immortal line. Well done, I'm a bit annoyed though as I had my money on Ciggy.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:58 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance?

Because sometimes even the underdog or the little people can have their day in football? Some of you would swap Harry Redknapp based off a lucky win last season and this one over a manager that really does have his work cut out for him managing one of the biggest, and most skint clubs on the planet, yet still manages to bring us in line with the likes of your Barca's, Madrids and United's of the world who are loaded.

Stop looking at the world thru rose-tinted glasses mate. He picked a duff team which most pundits would have and did disagree with. Especially on the Babel thing.
We don't have enough cover at the back and the manager - as would be expected of him - HAS to put it to the owners to stump up the cash for cover. He didn't and we suffered today.
And against a team like Stoke who pretty much go the aerial route full-stop, we're gonna suffer.
Rafa fooked up today. His players let themselves down as well.
Stop living on glories like the Champions League results etc...we are a long, long way from anything like that if the past 2 months are anything to go on...

Love how whenever you mention something valid in hindsight after a result like today, then you're looking through "rose tinted specs" bollox comes out. Balls.

For a start, who could he have picked? Alonso handed in his f*cking transfere request. He wanted to split, so that left Lucas or Spearing. Take your pick.

Riera was the only other viable option in place of Babel. Now, judging from Babel's roasting of Johnson mid-week there, it's no surprise that he got the nod, or maybe it was just a simple case of Riera not being match fit or a slight injury problem? Again, this is the side that battered United at OT, and beat Chelsea at home comfortably last year. Didn't heard droans of "duff team selection" then. Short memories and all that.

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:59 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:We don't have enough cover at the back and the manager - as would be expected of him - HAS to put it to the owners to stump up the cash for cover. He didn't and we suffered today.

He didn't? And we know this how? Come on, mate. There's fair criticism (selecting Babel ahead of Benayoun today) and then there's baseless speculation. We're all frustrated with the 'performance' today but let's not get carried away.

Here's what I base this on mate....

How many times this week and last have you read where RB has said "We have no money to spend...". Know what that looks like to me ? Looks like he's airing his dirty linen in public again. Looks like he's having a spat with the owners again.
Know what I think he should have done instead ? Got a blank sheet of paper out and did a little maths: What we recouped from sales this summer vs. what we invested in players (all NET figures, mind....factoring in the actual cash spent on Johnson, netting off what we were owed for Crouch...).
And THEN said to the owners in private : we are in trouble at the back....and put it right.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:00 pm

Love how whenever you mention something valid in hindsight after a result like today, then you're looking through "rose tinted specs" bollox comes out. Balls.

For a start, who could he have picked? Alonso handed in his f*cking transfere request. He wanted to split, so that left Lucas or Spearing. Take your pick.

Riera was the only other viable option in place of Babel. Now, judging from Babel's roasting of Johnson mid-week there, it's no surprise that he got the nod, or maybe it was just a simple case of Riera not being match fit or a slight injury problem? Again, this is the side that battered United at OT, and beat Chelsea at home comfortably last year. Didn't heard droans of "duff team selection" then. Short memories and all that.

To be fair Rafa could have bought a player who was actually fit ?

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