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maguskwt wrote:It's very simple what's not right today... our midfield... Lucas didn't do many mistakes... but he's just not good enough as simple as that... He's a toothless player and cannot dominate the midfield... what needs to be done is simple...if everyone's fit, we need to play like this:

                        Reina

Johnson    Carragher      Agger       Insua


Kuyt                        Mascherano   Riera
                 Gerrard

                Benayoun       Torres

Now that Xabi's gone, Gerrard is needed to dominate the midfield until Aquilani can play. Benayoun can fill in Gerrard's role of supporting Torres. He did this very well last season when Gerrard was injured and again today showed that he can play this role. The reason why Kuyt, Gerrard, Torres and Babel looked ineffective today was because we could not control the midfield it's as simple as that...

metalhead wrote:

s@int wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

lakes10 wrote:its over.

wonder when the "its not Rafas fault" post start oh and "its down to the owners" posts

It is actually down to our owners that we havent brought in better quality players what are you a feckin ostrich?

Rafa has had over 56MIL TO SPEND, it down to him that 20mil has gone on a player that is not fit.

its also down to Rafa that our best player last year has left.....so yes its down to the Manager.


I am not saying sack him or anything like that but the blame is his.

How did he have 56Mil to spend?

And Aquilani was 20Mil Euros, of which we have only paid like 5 or so as the rest are in installments and add ons. And Johnson was only around 10Mil as they already owed us 7Mil for Crouch. That doesn't add up to 56Mil mate. The fecking owners have not even given Rafa all of what he brought in for Xabi to spend let alone his annual budget.

If you buy a car for £20k and only put £5k down as a deposit the car still cost £20k Bav.

still costs 20k , but then your paying it over time... with interest, so it may end up costing 35k   

With our owners we are used to paying interest Metalhead 

Emerald Red wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance? 

lakes10 wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

lakes10 wrote:its over.

wonder when the "its not Rafas fault" post start oh and "its down to the owners" posts

It is actually down to our owners that we havent brought in better quality players what are you a feckin ostrich?

Rafa has had over 56MIL TO SPEND, it down to him that 20mil has gone on a player that is not fit.

its also down to Rafa that our best player last year has left.....so yes its down to the Manager.


I am not saying sack him or anything like that but the blame is his.

How did he have 56Mil to spend?

And Aquilani was 20Mil Euros, of which we have only paid like 5 or so as the rest are in installments and add ons. And Johnson was only around 10Mil as they already owed us 7Mil for Crouch. That doesn't add up to 56Mil mate. The fecking owners have not even given Rafa all of what he brought in for Xabi to spend let alone his annual budget.

with the add ones the 20Mil Euros turned into £20 mil .

Rafa was given an amount to spend that was around the 56mil.

its around 18mil leftmight be a bit more but rafa is looking to buy two players and thats why he says he has no money.

theres some stuff on RAWK about it all, its a long read.

lakes10 wrote:anyway off to spend the rest of my birthday with the wife.

only me wrote:If Rafa thinks that we can replicate last season performance with more or less the exact players his tripping - last season was pure heroism from the lads but it's no substance for lack of a deep talented squad ,Johnson was the only positive addition this pre-season and thats not enough ,Lucas and Babel have no place in Liverpool and no way in starting eleven if Rafa can't see it he will feel it ,Today was the first dose.

If Rafa think he can place the whole season on Torres and SG back's he is facing bitter disappointment ,they need help meaning another quality striker and another creative Mid.

Yes he is a genious tactician but there is a limit to how long you can cover your weaknesses.

Ciggy wrote:

Effes wrote:I defo blame Rafa for playing Babel ahead of Benayoun.

Most people on here were saying such before kick off.

Maybe Yossi played 90 mins for Israel midweek and was hlaf way around the world No?

They played away in Northern Ireland 

Effes wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Effes wrote:I defo blame Rafa for playing Babel ahead of Benayoun.

Most people on here were saying such before kick off.

Maybe Yossi played 90 mins for Israel midweek and was hlaf way around the world No?

They played away in Northern Ireland 

Ciggy wrote:How can Spurs have Pavlechenco, Crouch, Defo, and Keane. 4 strikers.

And Liverpool have Ngog, Voronin, and Torres?

Rafa out !!!

We could have had Torres, Keane, Voronin and Ngog if it wasn't for benitez...... Remember how he treated Keane. 

If we still had keane.....gerrard could easily drop into midfield and benayoun can go to the left ......

heimdall wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:All you anti Rafa's who do you want for manager then? Enlighten us all please.

Im intrigued.

hold on, put your bra back on, i have seen no posts that are saying sack rafa, what i have seen are posts that say he is to blame for the state of the team right now. the owners gave him free run with the 56mil, he picked the plyers today, he told them how to play.

it is down to a manager how a team plays.

Lakes, how long have you been watching football for? There's more variables than just the manager.

well i am 37 today so take 2 years off that.

a manager makes a team, he builds the team, he tells them how to play....when they get it wrong the get the blame thats why they get the sack if they keep getting bad results.

So it has f*ck all to do with the other team's performance, luck, desire from players, etc etc? Tell me, this team we'd on was more or less the same team we done United with at OT last season. So, since when does a world beating side with world beating players all of a sudden become so poor that it's the managers fault that he picked such a side?

OK so why bother getting big name managers then when they clearly have so little influence on the team performance? 

Effes wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Effes wrote:I defo blame Rafa for playing Babel ahead of Benayoun.

Most people on here were saying such before kick off.

Maybe Yossi played 90 mins for Israel midweek and was hlaf way around the world No?

They played away in Northern Ireland 

only me wrote:If Rafa thinks that we can replicate last season performance with more or less the exact players his tripping - last season was pure heroism from the lads but it's no substance for lack of a deep talented squad ,Johnson was the only positive addition this pre-season and thats not enough ,Lucas and Babel have no place in Liverpool and no way in starting eleven if Rafa can't see it he will feel it ,Today was the first dose.

If Rafa think he can place the whole season on Torres and SG back's he is facing bitter disappointment ,they need help meaning another quality striker and another creative Mid.

Yes he is a genious tactician but there is a limit to how long you can cover your weaknesses.