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by **SupitsJonF** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:52 pm

This is a joke.

by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:52 pm

lol at Rafa interview.......but the Reff was spot on there Rafa

by **Johnny Boy** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:53 pm

THEBARON wrote:According to Rafa we were a good team in the 1st half and the sending off was a turning point!

Just not true - yes we were looking comfortable at the time, but our passing & committment were poor from the start.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:53 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:The players MUST take some responsibility of course.

BUT...

Players do not become bad over night, this squad is the same (barring Alonso out and Johnson in) as our successful last season. When the squad is so unchanged, the burden lies with Rafa.

If it was Alonso that held the team together and the reason we have failed so badly then it's definitely Rafa's fault, for letting his relationship degrade to the point of selling him.

Rafa has no hiding place. If he had any care for the club he would do a Houllier and leave.

Be honest SCS do you really think a new manager can come in and turn things around? Theres no money for new players, there is boardroom battles to be won & lost, the players have already GIVEN UP for the season, Yossi said on wednesday before the Wigan game we cant win the league so we will try and get 4th. Which I thought was a shocking thing to say, same goes for rafa saying it. The league was far from over but if they have given up the fight for everything already a new manager would be pointless. If one came in the honeymoon lasts 2-3 games then its back to the players not caring.

One things for sure we need to find a solution to our problems and fast before we find ourselves in the bottom half of the table.

The tactics that worked with Alonso are not working any more because the personal is not up to the job, so you have to change them tactics, and we have no plan B.
Johnson and Insua havent helped the situation either, and Carra hoofing it all day long, kuyt losing possesion with his second touch its all going Pete Tong.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:54 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:My Fiancee: How did you do?
Me: We lost 2-0 to the bottom club.
My Fiancee: Sounds about right.

by **shitonutd78** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:54 pm

i turned my tv off so what Manuel say during his post match interview?

by **Ciggy** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:55 pm

lakes10 wrote:lol at Rafa interview.......but the Reff was spot on there Rafa

Have we ever won a game when lee mason has been the ref? I dont think we have, I know we lost the plot today but everytime he has reffed our games we have never won.

by **roberto green** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:55 pm

It's as if all the players are waiting for the inevitable to happen

= RAFA'S SACKING or they just don't believe in what he is trying to achieve anymore

by **Ciggy** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:57 pm

My little lad said who are we playing I said Portsmouth he said, we will get beat, because liverpool can only beat good teams. :sniffle

by **iCampbell** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:57 pm

If Rafa stays on I guarantee he will go for Europa more than 4th place, just the way he is to me

by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:57 pm

if this was not liverpool rafa would have been sack a long time ago

by **THEBARON** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:57 pm

So the sending off was the turning point?

The fact that we were already losing 1 nil is irrelevant then?

by **zardd** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:59 pm

even down to 10 man, so why the team can't get back their composure and play again. Other top teams also get player sent off and recovered to play much better. Rafa maybe a great tactician but he really shits at motivating his team.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:59 pm

iCampbell wrote:If Rafa stays on I guarantee he will go for Europa more than 4th place, just the way he is to me

Probably the best way to save his job now is to win a cup. Houllier did it and we paid for that in spades

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:59 pm

Ciggy wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:The players MUST take some responsibility of course.

BUT...

Players do not become bad over night, this squad is the same (barring Alonso out and Johnson in) as our successful last season. When the squad is so unchanged, the burden lies with Rafa.

If it was Alonso that held the team together and the reason we have failed so badly then it's definitely Rafa's fault, for letting his relationship degrade to the point of selling him.

Rafa has no hiding place. If he had any care for the club he would do a Houllier and leave.

Be honest SCS do you really think a new manager can come in and turn things around? Theres no money for new players, there is boardroom battles to be won & lost, the players have already GIVEN UP for the season, Yossi said on wednesday before the Wigan game we cant win the league so we will try and get 4th. Which I thought was a shocking thing to say, same goes for rafa saying it. The league was far from over but if they have given up the fight for everything already a new manager would be pointless. If one came in the honeymoon lasts 2-3 games then its back to the players not caring.

One things for sure we need to find a solution to our problems and fast before we find ourselves in the bottom half of the table.

The tactics that worked with Alonso are not working any more because the personal is not up to the job, so you have to change them tactics, and we have no plan B.
Johnson and Insua havent helped the situation either, and Carra hoofing it all day long, kuyt losing possesion with his second touch its all going Pete Tong.

You may not think a new manager can change things, but I happen to think this is the exact change needed. A new manager can change the mentality almost instantaneously, Harry Redknapp is a good example.

When the issues of the club lie primarily with team selection, transfer policy and player man management - then its the manager who has to change.

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