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john craig wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

metalhead wrote:Fernando Torres is a world class center back!!! FFS Rafa why did you take him off 

No, no, mate--don't you see?  We had them absolutely pinned back for every single second of the 87 minutes Torres was on the pitch.  They never even had a sniff (disregard that save Reina had to make with his face, or the header just outside his area or those freekicks...).  We pull Nando off and, wham, they're all over us like sailors in a brothel.  FECKIN' RAFA! 

Don't be naive for Christ sake.

Of course that substitution affected the game.  Torres' mere presence on the pitch occupies at least 2 defenders and crucially they fear him.  You bring him off and it automatically gives them a lift and the defenders the confidence to take risks.

It was a stupid decision against United which invited pressure but we got away with it.  It was a stupid decision against Fulham... clearly.  And guess what, it was a stupid decision again tonight.

Obviously we can blame Voronin's miss, the home game v Lyon or the performance at Fiorentina, but don't pretend the manager couldn't have made the closing minutes of the game a bit easier for us by leaving Torres on.  He managed 86 minutes... what's the likelihood that the final 4 minutes will make any difference to his physical condition for the next game.  Nonsense.

I'm sorry, but it was a stupid substitution that contributed to the outcome.

Dazzer wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Greavesie wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I'm not sure it's wise for me to be on here at the moment.

BTW, any cunt the even tries to put any sort of blame on the manager for this game is a grade A cock sucker.

Don't browse the rest of the thread then 

I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.

F*cking gutted here. I feel like someone just kicked me in the bollox. F*ckin robbed. Nothing just seems to want to go our way at the moment. Voronin is a waster and seeing him in a Liverpool shirt just doesn't sit well with me at all. Ditto with that Greek at the back. Just doesn't look right at all with him with a Liverbird on his chest.

Bit of misdirected anger there I think you are the w@nker.No one is calling for Rafas head he made a mistake he is human so fecking what lets move on next game we need a win.

He hasn't even said anything to you 

Dazzer wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Greavesie wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I'm not sure it's wise for me to be on here at the moment.

BTW, any cunt the even tries to put any sort of blame on the manager for this game is a grade A cock sucker.

Don't browse the rest of the thread then 

I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.

F*cking gutted here. I feel like someone just kicked me in the bollox. F*ckin robbed. Nothing just seems to want to go our way at the moment. Voronin is a waster and seeing him in a Liverpool shirt just doesn't sit well with me at all. Ditto with that Greek at the back. Just doesn't look right at all with him with a Liverbird on his chest.

Bit of misdirected anger there I think you are the w@nker.No one is calling for Rafas head he made a mistake he is human so fecking what lets move on next game we need a win.

Effes wrote:Did not like the way the big Grok just fell over for their goal

lakes10 wrote:looking at the other forums they all seems to put the blame at Rafa, dont look like the press will.

i understand why you are all saying about the sub and yes it was a strange one with only 3mins left and we are not playing till monday............but we still had 11 other players that should have the ball out and them the back 4 should have done better.

bigmick wrote:I will say that although I thought bringing Torres off was irrelevent, I did think bringing N'Gog on was strange. We needed to hold out, they were always going to bomb on so bringing on a defender in hindsight might have made more sense. Ultimately though, it's something of a moot point when one of your centre halaves falls erse over tit and lets their bloke in for a one on one. He almost gifted the same fella a goal earlier by heading it straight to him as well, and I'm afraid so far I'm not massively impressed by him.

Carra was solid at right back, but my guess is that Darby is a better right back than the Greek bloke is a centre half. Next time (if there is one) it might be a plan to leave Carra where he normally plays and give the kid a run.

Greavesie wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Greavesie wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I'm not sure it's wise for me to be on here at the moment.

BTW, any cunt the even tries to put any sort of blame on the manager for this game is a grade A cock sucker.

Don't browse the rest of the thread then 

I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.

F*cking gutted here. I feel like someone just kicked me in the bollox. F*ckin robbed. Nothing just seems to want to go our way at the moment. Voronin is a waster and seeing him in a Liverpool shirt just doesn't sit well with me at all. Ditto with that Greek at the back. Just doesn't look right at all with him with a Liverbird on his chest.

Bit of misdirected anger there I think you are the w@nker.No one is calling for Rafas head he made a mistake he is human so fecking what lets move on next game we need a win.

He hasn't even said anything to you 

Dazzer wrote:

lakes10 wrote:looking at the other forums they all seems to put the blame at Rafa, dont look like the press will.

i understand why you are all saying about the sub and yes it was a strange one with only 3mins left and we are not playing till monday............but we still had 11 other players that should have the ball out and them the back 4 should have done better.

Its cos lakes it was his fault but managers make mistakes just that he made this one 3 times now in space of 4 games which is problem.6 mins to play wouldn't have hurt Torres and what is worse Torres is getting fecked off with Rafa 3 times he been subed 3 times he shaking his head wondering wtf his manager is doing.I worry about that even more.