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by **Kenny Kan** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:57 am

What a dire watch that was, feel sorry for the travelling fans. We had no shots on target and one wide from Johnson who I thought was our best player tonight. Infact the whole back four did their job and did it well, Johnson gets my plaudits because he looked more of an atacking threat than our whole midfield and attack combined.

When you say the word ATTACK and role off names like N'gog, Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio it makes for pretty miserable hopes in an ''attacking'' sense. Again Kuyt showed why he offers so little going forward, N'gog - the lad is a waste of space in my opinion, Aurelio another waste of space in my opinion and Maxi who I think his better days are behind him. Throw Lucas and Meireles into the mix and there isn't an ounce of creatvity in that side. Meireles FWIW isn't a creator he's a midfielder who pops up and scores goals and we know Lucas' limits in a dictacting, orchastrating attacking sense - pretty much zero.

The lack of movement from N'gog, Maxi, Kuyt and Aurelio is poor, none of them seem to show themselves for the ball and in Kuyt's case he looks to offload it as quick as possible because he is unable to take a man on if he's controlled it succesfully. J.Cole was anonymous too and we looked void of any purpose what so ever.

The best part of the match was when the flair was let off and the game came to a hault as the silky smoke hid our underperformers from view.

by **anti-hero** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:25 am

wrighty (not mark!) wrote:
anti-hero wrote:we do and his name's gerrard.

this game actually shows even more so than others, how much he means to the team's dynamic when they take the field. lucas and raul couldnt really pass forward as sparta's players closed down quickly and they closed down well.

further down the line when we play organized teams that press hard and press often, without the right personnel playing we are going to get found out.

Completely agree mate but simple as this we dont seem to have an 'understudy' for him at all do we?

Meireles is class attacking but too light in the tackle whereas lucas has improved but still in my view better going forward than being shoehorned in as a 'defensive midfielder' which he's pretty decent at and happens to be one of the best first teamers in that position which says a lot about that department in terms of depth.

well put.

i know our priorities in the summer are wingers and wing backs but with regards to the issue of replacing someone like gerrard, i guess the youth coaches have to mould some of the kids into playing his all action box to box style.

i only hope connor coady and the rest of the lads like the other connor we bought can become that player.

by **anti-hero** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:33 am

RedSi35 wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
Zidane wrote:Dunno what to say really, on one hand its job done but on the other that's an awful way to go about getting it done.

this

away from Europe first leg, get the draw, back to Anfield then through. Hopefully it goes accorrding to lan and we can forget about this performance

we're too limited with strikers in Europe at the moment and it's showing. Anything less than the first 11 and we go flat, that's not Kenny's fault

I agree but nothing was served up for our striker anyway, all i saw was a few punts up field, many useless badly weighted passes into the channel or balls into him that he had no chance to control or do anything with.

We had no creativity at all tonight, cole clearly is the new harry kewell.

This side is crying out for a world class playmaker. Should be number 1 priority spunk all our cash on summer buy.

Along with chopping of dead wood

i've just gotten off newsnow and sources there are reporting that juve may be unwilling to pay the wages that aquilani has been demanding.

juve are looking at pirlo as a less expensive solution. if that happens aquilani comes back to us and we get a playmaker for free. the only problem would be how to fit him in the system.

but that goes for any traditional number 10 really, be it aquilani or someone else we bring in. how would king kenny play a number 10 when we already have gerrard and meireles who are competent at it?

imo we already have two attack minded midfielders in gerrard and raul and one defensive minded one in lucas. wouldnt it be better if we went out and got another defensive one with an engine to boot so that in the scenario one attack minded midfielder would be injured, we would have a defensive midfielder waiting in the wings so that the attacking one wouldnt have to revert to defensive duties like raul did today?

another mascherano essentially. lol.

by **RedSi35** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 am

Xabi Alonso. The biggest transfer mistake in the history of football.

He was our deep lying playmaker, he has everything that we miss at the moment.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:00 am

I cant believe that some people expect Kenny to just turn us into an all out attack team over night. We haven't played that way in 12 years or so. When Roy was in charge, we were leaking goals left, right and centre as well as losing games every week or two.

Every managers first task is to make sure the team are well organised and defensively sound. That is starting to become the case now. we've only conceded one goal in 6 games! Thats a big positive.

People seem to be forgetting that our star striker left and now our 2 main strikers are not available for Europa for different reasons. Not to mention that Gerrard and Agger were both missing...2 players that seriously make us better going forward.

I knew we wouldn't create too much last night...just look at our team and it was easy to see. Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Cole, Aurelio etc = NO PACE. But we got the job done, which is what being away from home in Europe is all about.

Remember the Champions League in 2005? Not all the group games or away ties were pretty on the eye either.

As for Pacheco, he is a player that i really like and id like to see coming on in more games. But I trust Rafa, Kenny, Roy and Steve Clarke etc know more about why he isnt in the first team than me.

7 games unbeaten now. Lets get our best players fit and playing and stuff this lot next week and then push on in the league.
Its a work in progress people, we ain't coming back overnight.

by **only me** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:15 am

jacdaniel wrote:I cant believe that some people expect Kenny to just turn us into an all out attack team over night. We haven't played that way in 12 years or so. When Roy was in charge, we were leaking goals left, right and centre as well as losing games every week or two.

Every managers first task is to make sure the team are well organised and defensively sound. That is starting to become the case now. we've only conceded one goal in 6 games! Thats a big positive.

People seem to be forgetting that our star striker left and now our 2 main strikers are not available for Europa for different reasons. Not to mention that Gerrard and Agger were both missing...2 players that seriously make us better going forward.

I knew we wouldn't create too much last night...just look at our team and it was easy to see. Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Cole, Aurelio etc = NO PACE. But we got the job done, which is what being away from home in Europe is all about.

Remember the Champions League in 2005? Not all the group games or away ties were pretty on the eye either.

As for Pacheco, he is a player that i really like and id like to see coming on in more games. But I trust Rafa, Kenny, Roy and Steve Clarke etc know more about why he isnt in the first team than me.

7 games unbeaten now. Lets get our best players fit and playing and stuff this lot next week and then push on in the league.
Its a work in progress people, we ain't coming back overnight.

Believe in What you see....If you see Shiity Performance with Shiity players that can't connect a pass from the beginning of the season then Yes you better start changing things.

Noboday expects Kenny to Turn this Squad to a great team ,simply because we don't have the players for that ,but he can start working on approach to games ,he can sub some players ,he has nothing to lose. I assume next season we will release many of the deadwood currently on the payrole ,so why not try to shake things up??

Why not try Pacheco or Cole or Even Milan for 3-4 straight games? If Kuyt and Maxi are allowed to roam the pitch for soooo long surely others deserve a chance? Why not Try playing Johnson as a RW? Play 2 strikers ? show some initiative some courage ,Surely keeping an unbeaten record isn't the goal here right? This season is practicly over so let's experiment a bit ,beats watching pathetic defensive displays as last night.

by **haps** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:30 am

jacdaniel wrote:I cant believe that some people expect Kenny to just turn us into an all out attack team over night. We haven't played that way in 12 years or so. When Roy was in charge, we were leaking goals left, right and centre as well as losing games every week or two.

Every managers first task is to make sure the team are well organised and defensively sound. That is starting to become the case now. we've only conceded one goal in 6 games! Thats a big positive.

People seem to be forgetting that our star striker left and now our 2 main strikers are not available for Europa for different reasons. Not to mention that Gerrard and Agger were both missing...2 players that seriously make us better going forward.

I knew we wouldn't create too much last night...just look at our team and it was easy to see. Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Cole, Aurelio etc = NO PACE. But we got the job done, which is what being away from home in Europe is all about.

Remember the Champions League in 2005? Not all the group games or away ties were pretty on the eye either.

As for Pacheco, he is a player that i really like and id like to see coming on in more games. But I trust Rafa, Kenny, Roy and Steve Clarke etc know more about why he isnt in the first team than me.

7 games unbeaten now. Lets get our best players fit and playing and stuff this lot next week and then push on in the league.
Its a work in progress people, we ain't coming back overnight.

A bit of sense, finally. Agree 100% with this post, jd. We're unbeaten in 7. Conceded practically nothing. One awful away game in eastern Europe and people think we're complete dross. Some of the posters on this forum just haven't a clue and knee-jerk to every result or bad performance.

We all know that the squad lacks depth. We've known that for ages, yet we go over and get a drab draw in a European leg without some of our best players like Gerrard and Agger and unavoidably without two of our most potent players, Suarez and Carroll and people act surprised we don't play like Barcelona. Have some patience!!! There's a rebuilding job taking place. We'll do Sparta at Anfield. I'm sure of it. Stop expecting too much too soon. We need new players with flair to come in, bed in and play like a team. As someone just said, selling Xabi Alonso was one of the worst transfer decisions ever taken by this club and the effects of that were immediately seen and still felt today. Ok - that's the past but we still need that kind of playmaker. I really don't understand how some of the posters on this forum (which has been going downhill fast in recent months) expect us to play brilliant football in just a few weeks. We got a draw. Things are getting better. We're a long way away from the misery of Roy in charge and worse, being owned by twit & :censored:

. Allow the team an off-night and support them and the manager.

by **haps** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:36 am

only me wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:I cant believe that some people expect Kenny to just turn us into an all out attack team over night. We haven't played that way in 12 years or so. When Roy was in charge, we were leaking goals left, right and centre as well as losing games every week or two.

Every managers first task is to make sure the team are well organised and defensively sound. That is starting to become the case now. we've only conceded one goal in 6 games! Thats a big positive.

People seem to be forgetting that our star striker left and now our 2 main strikers are not available for Europa for different reasons. Not to mention that Gerrard and Agger were both missing...2 players that seriously make us better going forward.

I knew we wouldn't create too much last night...just look at our team and it was easy to see. Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Cole, Aurelio etc = NO PACE. But we got the job done, which is what being away from home in Europe is all about.

Remember the Champions League in 2005? Not all the group games or away ties were pretty on the eye either.

As for Pacheco, he is a player that i really like and id like to see coming on in more games. But I trust Rafa, Kenny, Roy and Steve Clarke etc know more about why he isnt in the first team than me.

7 games unbeaten now. Lets get our best players fit and playing and stuff this lot next week and then push on in the league.
Its a work in progress people, we ain't coming back overnight.

Believe in What you see....If you see Shiity Performance with Shiity players that can't connect a pass from the beginning of the season then Yes you better start changing things.

Noboday expects Kenny to Turn this Squad to a great team ,simply because we don't have the players for that ,but he can start working on approach to games ,he can sub some players ,he has nothing to lose. I assume next season we will release many of the deadwood currently on the payrole ,so why not try to shake things up??

Why not try Pacheco or Cole or Even Milan for 3-4 straight games? If Kuyt and Maxi are allowed to roam the pitch for soooo long surely others deserve a chance? Why not Try playing Johnson as a RW? Play 2 strikers ? show some initiative some courage ,Surely keeping an unbeaten record isn't the goal here right? This season is practicly over so let's experiment a bit ,beats watching pathetic defensive displays as last night.

... and you can sod off too. Miserable negative git. All you ever do is whinge like a pussy. You think you're just expressing your opinion but jumping down the players' and manager's throat after one or two unspectacular outings isn't support. Support your team. Do you know what that word means? You talk like you'd know how to manage a football team. Feckin pub experts, I hate them.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:51 am

haps wrote:A bit of sense, finally. Agree 100% with this post, jd. We're unbeaten in 7. Conceded practically nothing. One awful away game in eastern Europe and people think we're complete dross. Some of the posters on this forum just haven't a clue and knee-jerk to every result or bad performance.

We all know that the squad lacks depth. We've known that for ages, yet we go over and get a drab draw in a European leg without some of our best players like Gerrard and Agger and unavoidably without two of our most potent players, Suarez and Carroll and people act surprised we don't play like Barcelona. Have some patience!!! There's a rebuilding job taking place. We'll do Sparta at Anfield. I'm sure of it. Stop expecting too much too soon. We need new players with flair to come in, bed in and play like a team. As someone just said, selling Xabi Alonso was one of the worst transfer decisions ever taken by this club and the effects of that were immediately seen and still felt today. Ok - that's the past but we still need that kind of playmaker. I really don't understand how some of the posters on this forum (which has been going downhill fast in recent months) expect us to play brilliant football in just a few weeks. We got a draw. Things are getting better. We're a long way away from the misery of Roy in charge and worse, being owned by twit & . Allow the team an off-night and support them and the manager.

Cheers mate, glad someone is on the same wave length

Things are starting to look good in the long term but short term... we just have to try do as well as we can with what we've got. (not a whole lot in certain areas).

Have a good feeling we'll stuff that lot at Anfield next week.

by **algymoon** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:57 pm

We simply have so shitty players the likes of Maxi (especially this he should never ware LFC's Shirt), Aurelio, Kuyt, Ngog who never improved at all and even Lucas!, As long as those players are allowed to in first team in every match, then we should not expect to progress in Europe or secure 6th place in league, and Kenny ought to have a good look at this problem, and make the changes right away, otherwise we going to go back to same problem that we had under Roy Hodgson. On yesterday's game the only players that stood above every one are Reina, Wilson, and the Greek. It is worrying to see the last two games display so poor despite Kenny's injection of confidence only to be ruined by those below average players who can't pass, can't shoot straight, and they lacks of all basic shills and above all lacks very much a footballing brain, they are just manly operated dummies as Benitez's favourite and type, players with an embedded program of negative style of playing football!!

by **mkingdom** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:25 pm

Very possibly the worst game I have had the "pleasure" of sitting through.

A decent result though, and we should have enough at home to go through. Some players were completely invisble though -

Maxi
Raul
Cole

spring to mind.

We lacked any sort of penetration or imagination to be honest, and that performance, following the Wigan draw are a slight worry.

Still, a 0-0 away in Europe is fine, we are unbeaten and not conceding so we can't moan too much. We looked toothless upfront, and Ngog was shocking. Shows how we need the two new guys up front in the side asap.

by **stmichael** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:47 pm

only me wrote:Believe in What you see....If you see Shiity Performance with Shiity players that can't connect a pass from the beginning of the season then Yes you better start changing things.

Noboday expects Kenny to Turn this Squad to a great team ,simply because we don't have the players for that ,but he can start working on approach to games ,he can sub some players ,he has nothing to lose. I assume next season we will release many of the deadwood currently on the payrole ,so why not try to shake things up??

Why not try Pacheco or Cole or Even Milan for 3-4 straight games? If Kuyt and Maxi are allowed to roam the pitch for soooo long surely others deserve a chance? Why not Try playing Johnson as a RW? Play 2 strikers ? show some initiative some courage ,Surely keeping an unbeaten record isn't the goal here right? This season is practicly over so let's experiment a bit ,beats watching pathetic defensive displays as last night.

honestly, do you ever say anything positive about anything?

yes last night was drab (i'd lost the will to live by half time) but at the end of the day it was job done. we essentially played the game without anything upfront. it's going to take a major rebuilding job in the summer but we knew that before the game anyway.

we'll smash them at home.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:21 pm

Sh1t game , sh1t performance , clean sheet . JOB DONE .

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:51 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:text received......

Think its johnson carra greek wilson kuxt lucas aurelio maxi meireles ngog

see that team was right again

by **stmichael** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:21 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:text received......

Think its johnson carra greek wilson kuxt lucas aurelio maxi meireles ngog

see that team was right again

no it's not. it says we are playing without a keeper. and who is kuxt?

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