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We're 16 points away from being a top four side. At same point last season we were 7 points and the season before that we were 2 points away from fourth spot.

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:27 pm wrote:Wigan dont dominate sides the way we generally do. Look Im not saying we shouldnt be upset at this seasons league form because it has without question being utter horsesh*t. What I am saying is that on the pitch things dont look the way they did in Rafas last season through Roy's infamous tenure. In my opinion we are closer than many of you guys think to being a top four side, a player or two may have to leave and one or two may need to come in but we are not staring into the abyss as some on here would have you believe.

I dont watch wigans games so i cant comment on them, but imo we dont really dominate teams as much as the stats seem to say. We usually have a lot of posession and a lot of longshots, but we dont create that many really clear chances. Partly because we dont have enough bodies in the box. We get a lot of crosses in but quite often we only have one player in the box even when we seem to be dominating the opposing team. I'm not trying to single out Carroll, but while he seems to get more involved in our buildup play quite often he is anywhere except where he should be when the cross comes into the box. Since its been like that in most of our matches and with different players it seems to be how Kenny wants us to play.

The fact we are creating the chances is positive in itself and entirely fixable. A proven finisher.

First forum post - We are so bad it is scary, lots of chances every game we play but can't finish means one thing - The players aint good enough and neither is the manager its as simple as that. How Henderson starts ahead of Kuyt most games just makes me wince. I'm sorry Kenny is a legend but if he dosen't step down at end of season then next season i feel could be a relegation battle and not a top four push. This is the worst Livp side i have seen in my time (30 years)  these words may seem harsh but i'm being realistic, we are 3pts ahead of Norwich after 34 games, the facts are in black and white, that is a total disgrace.

A lotta first time posters calling for Kennys head....

6 yes but they now dont count the ones that are block by other players, put it this way we had 4 shots on target in 30 secs in that game but only count as one on target......and that happend 5 times during that game.[/quote]
So you mean we had even more shots without a goal than the stats say?  [/quote]

no, more on target that what the stats say.[/quote]
Yeah, I understood your point, and what you are trying to say, but it doesn't help our goals/shots ratio much, does it?

So many positives to take out of that game - Carroll played OK, Henderson looked good, Spearing had a barnstormer... but

a) WBA weren't all that good, and
b) once again, we failed to finish.

It is hard to be too disheartened about a performance like that, but our finishing is not the result of luck. One or two games a season sure, but what we've faced this year? Some smart recruitment needed this summer, and I'd love to know how they are planning to address the problem in training, because what they've tried so far hasn't worked.[/quote]


I know mate but at the same time we have won a cup and going back for another final, first time in years so being 8th i can take aslong as we start better next year.
By getting to two finals Kenny has put money in the club and given the owners the tv they are looking for , yes no CL will hurt next year but holdibng up two cup is going to look bloody good.

16 points behind Newcastle 

Yes if we win 2 cups then you would say that is a great season, but i am looking more to the near future and just look how far away we are from even getting into the top 4, miles away. The league form is not all of a sudden going to change next season unless they completely changed the team and manager. We are no better than Sunderland or Stoke these days. Because if we played say Stoke 10 times in the next  say 6 weeks you would flick a coin who would win most games and thats the truth.

RedAnt » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:A lotta first time posters calling for Kennys head....

surprised?

In Benitez's last season we finished 7 points outside the top four, fast forward nearly two years later and we're 16 points behind and that could well expand further still, yes progress is being made...

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:12 pm wrote:

Liverpool racked up 28 shots on goal at Anfield today. A more telling stat is that they have converted that sort of dominance into less home wins than Blackburn this season.

That says it all.

We're playing like relegation candidates.

No we are not,

people need to step back for a second and take heed of what is actually happening on the pitch. We are not playing terrible football, we are not getting rolled over and we are creating plenty of chances. The problem is that we are not scoring goals. Perspective required by so many doom and gloomers on here. There is a very fine line between us being the side we are now to one that is challenging for the the top four and beyond. The same cant be said about f*cking Blackburn.

Correctamundo
People say KK is untouchable but to be honest its Suarez at the moment.
He is a very frustrating player and so wasteful. He obviously has great skill and has done well but I wish he would be less selfish sometimes

RedAnt » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:A lotta first time posters calling for Kennys head....

Just because they just joined this forum, which is 1 among the many available on the internet, if they were looking for a forum to join in the first place, doesn't mean it's their first day being a supporter. But I don't think that you would be able to comprehend that would you? Probably because it doesn't go in line with your views. In fact, if a first time poster joined this forum and composes a post which kisses the ground Kenny spits on, you would say something like "Excellent post! Welcome to the forum mate "

Wildcard » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:14 pm wrote:Yes if we win 2 cups then you would say that is a great season, but i am looking more to the near future and just look how far away we are from even getting into the top 4, miles away. The league form is not all of a sudden going to change next season unless they completely changed the team and manager. We are no better than Sunderland or Stoke these days. Because if we played say Stoke 10 times in the next  say 6 weeks you would flick a coin who would win most games and thats the truth.

We have a problem playing at home. The statistics tell us and they dont lie.
Our performances have been good overall and we have dominated large parts of most games. Our ruthlessness has been missing and we are so wasteful its unbelievable. Add on to that the woodwork statistic and it makes sense why we are where we are.
I would bet my life that this will not happen next season.

T.Perm, i respect your views but the fact is the teams/players who dont win on a regular basis and are near the bottom in most sports, be it tennis, golf, Rugby, even snooker. Says the same things week in, week out "I or we just didnt take our chances today" and that is because they simply are not good enough, they wont take there chances 9/10 times because they cant face the facts that they just aint up to it. Things will not all of a sudden get better next season unless major changes are made.

Thommo's perm » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:38 pm wrote:I would bet my life that this will not happen next season.

You're right it won't, because FSG won't allow it to happen. I think Kenny is a marked man for a dismissal in the summer and I doubt there will be many people who will be able to argue against a dismissal. Rafa and Hodgson were sacked for similar failings in the league, I doubt Kenny is exempt from the same fate as his predecessors.