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Well I can say this has completely destroyed my enthusiasm for this season.

We just fooking spent 100 million and i'm looking to January already 

I calmed down a bit after sleeping on it but fook me that was pathetic last night, I really don't know what's going on in BR's head to pick that side in the first place, you only had to look around the forums to see so many negative comments about the selection, is it just arrogance. I thought he must have worked some tactics out to combat big Sam's long ball game and that's why although had misgivings was prepared to see how it went, well 2-0 down in 5 min about says it all, SG needs to take a big back seat, since towards the end of last season he has been awful for both us and in the WC. I also can't believe we are prepared to let go players like Suso and then let Lucas and Borini into the 1st team and as for the back 5, do they only meet up once a week at kick off?

The rest of the team was so bad that even if Suarez was playing he wouldn't have been able to do much better. Both our Midfield and Defence were pathetic. The only players who came out of that match with some credibility are Balotelli, Sterling and probably Moreno and Henderson. The rest are just absolutely pathetic.

I can't believe how slow Skrtle was turning and tackling for their 3rd goal. It seemed like he just gave up and didn't have any strength to tackle him.

The injuries to Can, Allen, Sturridge are a big blow. Our team looks very disjointed, doesn't appear to trust each other... BR has some major work to do going back to the drawing board.

The defence was just ball watching all the time!!

I don't know why some on here are still criticizing Balotelli, he was the only one who was working very hard, you always see him at both penalty boxes. And I'm not sure whether this is the best way to use him either... I think maybe BR is asking too much from him and this has reduced his attacking effectiveness...

Lallana looked decent as well but he couldn't do much when we don't seem to have a game plan...

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:57 pm wrote:

parchpea » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:48 pm wrote:First time I have see Rodgers look genuinely concerned and well he might be.

Massive hangover from last years collapse and in addition losing our talisman Suarez has hit us hard.

Recruits have taken us backwards at this point and whilst it could be argued they need time its been alarming how
poorly they have performed individually and as a unit.

Rodgers and his team need to sort things out and fast with a derby clash approaching and 3 defeats in 5 opening games
is simply not acceptable for Liverpool under any circumstances.

Given some of our recent performances who'd honestly be shocked if it ends up 4 losses from 6 next week? Everton are a better side than Villa and West Ham.

Not IF it's possible...but it's very likely to. The way BR set the team up anyone one with half a brain could see it won't work, but why not a footballing man like Brendan? Is he so full of his fucking self???

With the money that we spent and players that we have, this is just a fucking joke to be playing like this. I genuinely believe most of our summer signings will come good but not if we play with a few obvious weak links in the starting XI for the opponents to exploit. BR need to get his head out of his arse now and read the riot act, starting by talking to the mirror because I put the last 3 pissed poor performance squarely down to him, no arguing as far as i'm concerned. He need to grow some serious balls too by dropping the like of Stevie and throw the space waster Lucas and Borini down to the reserve team. The way we are playing we're not even a midfield team now this is more than a concern for me..I'm now seriously pissed

Team spirit appears to be in the bin !!! What a fkg utterly awful performance. We gave the opposition a laugh at the end of sat season but now I think they are seriously pissing themselves. BR is struggling and at the moment he seems incapable of turning on his fog lights!

maguskwt » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:35 am wrote:The rest of the team was so bad that even if Suarez was playing he wouldn't have been able to do much better. Both our Midfield and Defence were pathetic. The only players who came out of that match with some credibility are Balotelli, Sterling and probably Moreno and Henderson. The rest are just absolutely pathetic.

I can't believe how slow Skrtle was turning and tackling for their 3rd goal. It seemed like he just gave up and didn't have any strength to tackle him.

The injuries to Can, Allen, Sturridge are a big blow. Our team looks very disjointed, doesn't appear to trust each other... BR has some major work to do going back to the drawing board.

The defence was just ball watching all the time!!

I don't know why some on here are still criticizing Balotelli, he was the only one who was working very hard, you always see him at both penalty boxes. And I'm not sure whether this is the best way to use him either... I think maybe BR is asking too much from him and this has reduced his attacking effectiveness...

Lallana looked decent as well but he couldn't do much when we don't seem to have a game plan...

Exactly, when Lucas and Gerrard were paired together last season not even Luis could save us, it's no coincidence that those 2 played in 4 of our 6 defeats including the farce at Hull.
I know Brendan's hand was forced somewhat by injuries but he would have been better off putting someone like Rossiter in there, even if the lad was totally overwhelmed by the occassion and couldn't string a pass together at least he could run around and close people down.
You make a good point about their 3rd goal as well, yes Sakho gave the ball away in a dangerous position but West Ham still had a lot to do, although they had 3 players in their counter attack we had 5 players back which should have been more than enough.
It wasn't as if Sakho gave it to the lad in front of goal either, the west ham player picked the ball up just inside our half! When you have no athleticism in your midfield though Sakho may as well have given the ball away at the penalty spot.

Sorry yakka but am not having this.

Every post is banging on about the midfield and Gerrard's lack of athletisism and its getting boring mate. Gerrard is not the crux of the problem what so ever in anyway shape of form. We will not be a better side if you replace him with another player within the squad simply because the lack of quality we have in this position is a joke.

We'll miss his passing ability and composure in his own half dramatically if he's dropped. We all know he's nowhere near as good as he used to be, we all know he's miles past his best and we all know he's no longer our best player, we also know where his glaring weaknesses are but making him a scapegoat everytime we don't perform is starting to grate again. There is no way on gods earth he was our worst player yesterday, second half his passing into Lallana and Sterling was looking like our only route back into the game. I'm not saying he played well, he didn't, he was poor as well, but he was by no means our worst player.

Yesterday's result was shocking, but the likes of Lucas, Sahko and Borini were completely out of their depth. Balotelli was starved of service and a system which suits him and the only other players who had a go apart from him were Gerrard second half, Sterling and Lallana. The rest where f*cking woefully inept.

That was worse than the Hull performance of last season and a major wake up call is needed. Balotelli is a 4-4-2 not a lone striker. Also yesterday what was apparent, everytime the full backs got the ball early on, there was no width. They had to pass the ball backwards as there was no-one infront of them to hit.... RAHEEM STERLING IS A WINGER.... PLAY HIM ON THE F*CKING WING. Rodgers yesterday was a moron with his team selection.

Henderson yesterday went missing too. His worst performance in a red shirt since early last season.

The transfers this summer have frankly been a disgrace, I've been slagged off to death for critisizing our transfer policy, I'd say one or two people need to eat some humble pie and accept I was correct. Playing Borini instead of Markovic suggests they've bought yet another duffer and although Coutinho is badly out of form (probably through feeling like he has to carry our midfield) I'd still rather him in there over Lucas, who offers NOTHING and never ever has.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sep 20th, '14, 20:35 wrote:Its not a defensive coach that we need but a change of direction, the team should not be getting built around a 34 year old who's legs have gone, no matter how great he was in the past.

What I'm saying is that our defenders, at the current time, look like they have totally forgotten how and what defending is all about. So yes, there needs to be cohesion and confidence there, in fact across the whole team. We require that  immediately as it is not there right now.  And surely BR is not naive enough to build a team around SG is he?

Additionally, BR has to stop tinkering with the team, keep it simple and not change things around every game trying to be clever. The tinkering is  having an adverse affect on the players. It's stopping them from having any chance of combining as a team.

Stu the Red » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:26 am wrote:Rodgers yesterday was a moron with his team selection.

  it will be interesting to see if he can pull his fingers off his arse and string together a decent team from this. I can accept the results but I cannot accept the team selection, formation and the inept display of a bunch of mens playing like the past few weeks. Rodgers seems to believe in his own hype and get too complacent with opponents

I think 3 things let our game down. No communication at the back. Gerrard lack of energy and pace in the middle and no creativity.

Push Gerrard to CB along with Lovren/Skrtel and that communication will come baqck. Bring in Can to replace Gerrard in the middle when he is fit and we will have our energy and someone to drive us forward and When sturridge returns from injury our front 3 of Sterling Ballotelli and Sturridge im sure will improve us going forward.


when all is fit i would play something like this.


                                        Mignolet
Manquillo                   Gerrard         Lovren/Skrtel          Moreno


                               Can                   Hendo


                                     Coutinho/Lallana

Sturridge                                                             Sterling
                                Balotelli 


We would still have an exciting bench with markovic coutinho or lallana. Lambert all to change games if need be

Stu the Red » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:26 am wrote:Sorry yakka but am not having this.

Every post is banging on about the midfield and Gerrard's lack of athletisism and its getting boring mate. Gerrard is not the crux of the problem what so ever in anyway shape of form. We will not be a better side if you replace him with another player within the squad simply because the lack of quality we have in this position is a joke.

We'll miss his passing ability and composure in his own half dramatically if he's dropped. We all know he's nowhere near as good as he used to be, we all know he's miles past his best and we all know he's no longer our best player, we also know where his glaring weaknesses are but making him a scapegoat everytime we don't perform is starting to grate again. There is no way on gods earth he was our worst player yesterday, second half his passing into Lallana and Sterling was looking like our only route back into the game. I'm not saying he played well, he didn't, he was poor as well, but he was by no means our worst player.

Yesterday's result was shocking, but the likes of Lucas, Sahko and Borini were completely out of their depth. Balotelli was starved of service and a system which suits him and the only other players who had a go apart from him were Gerrard second half, Sterling and Lallana. The rest where f*cking woefully inept.

That was worse than the Hull performance of last season and a major wake up call is needed. Balotelli is a 4-4-2 not a lone striker. Also yesterday what was apparent, everytime the full backs got the ball early on, there was no width. They had to pass the ball backwards as there was no-one infront of them to hit.... RAHEEM STERLING IS A WINGER.... PLAY HIM ON THE F*CKING WING. Rodgers yesterday was a moron with his team selection.

Henderson yesterday went missing too. His worst performance in a red shirt since early last season.

The transfers this summer have frankly been a disgrace, I've been slagged off to death for critisizing our transfer policy, I'd say one or two people need to eat some humble pie and accept I was correct. Playing Borini instead of Markovic suggests they've bought yet another duffer and although Coutinho is badly out of form (probably through feeling like he has to carry our midfield) I'd still rather him in there over Lucas, who offers NOTHING and never ever has.

Our problems run deeper than Steven Gerrard but his presence in the midfield is just undermining all our attempts to try to shore up our defence, you just can't have a DM who can't run or defend and hope to have a watertight defence.
No other top club builds their team around a 34 year old, the likes of Keane, Scholes and Lampard were all bit part players by this stage of their careers and even Xavi who is the same age as Gerrard has been getting gradually phased out of the Barca midfield. Gerrard on the other hand plays every single minute of every game.
What's more you didn't see Barca move Xabi back in front of their back 4 in an attempt to re-invent him as a DM, they know that DM is a specialised position.
Will all our problems be solved the moment Gerrard is dropped? No they won't, In fact it wouldn't surprise me if we even went backwards for a while as the other players struggle to emerge from his shadow (especially if he is sitting on the bench) but moving on without Gerrard is the way forward. At this stage of his career Gerrard won't get any better anyway he'll only get worse so we have to look to the future.
He will still have a role off the bench and in CL games but IMO he can't cope with the pace of the prem anymore. Not week in week out anyway.

I'm starting to agree on Gerrard. I think he needs a break to clear his head. If he comes back fresh he may improve. He might not. But I'm starting to wonder if perhaps Gerrard was assured a starting place if he left England behind. Or maybe BR feels obliged due for the same reason.

Stu the Red » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:26 am wrote:Sorry yakka but am not having this.

Every post is banging on about the midfield and Gerrard's lack of athletisism and its getting boring mate. Gerrard is not the crux of the problem what so ever in anyway shape of form. We will not be a better side if you replace him with another player within the squad simply because the lack of quality we have in this position is a joke.

We'll miss his passing ability and composure in his own half dramatically if he's dropped. We all know he's nowhere near as good as he used to be, we all know he's miles past his best and we all know he's no longer our best player, we also know where his glaring weaknesses are but making him a scapegoat everytime we don't perform is starting to grate again. There is no way on gods earth he was our worst player yesterday, second half his passing into Lallana and Sterling was looking like our only route back into the game. I'm not saying he played well, he didn't, he was poor as well, but he was by no means our worst player.

Yesterday's result was shocking, but the likes of Lucas, Sahko and Borini were completely out of their depth. Balotelli was starved of service and a system which suits him and the only other players who had a go apart from him were Gerrard second half, Sterling and Lallana. The rest where f*cking woefully inept.

That was worse than the Hull performance of last season and a major wake up call is needed. Balotelli is a 4-4-2 not a lone striker. Also yesterday what was apparent, everytime the full backs got the ball early on, there was no width. They had to pass the ball backwards as there was no-one infront of them to hit.... RAHEEM STERLING IS A WINGER.... PLAY HIM ON THE F*CKING WING. Rodgers yesterday was a moron with his team selection.

Henderson yesterday went missing too. His worst performance in a red shirt since early last season.

The transfers this summer have frankly been a disgrace, I've been slagged off to death for critisizing our transfer policy, I'd say one or two people need to eat some humble pie and accept I was correct. Playing Borini instead of Markovic suggests they've bought yet another duffer and although Coutinho is badly out of form (probably through feeling like he has to carry our midfield) I'd still rather him in there over Lucas, who offers NOTHING and never ever has.

fully agree stu 

Gerrard is finished ,I cant even be arsed eulogising over his past endeavours ,its frankly bordering on the ridiculous that posters still praise his contribution in a
game he made no tackles of any description whatsoever .... I've said it for a while now this Liverpool  Legend's time in a red shirt is dead in the water,and the more he's
thrown into games by Rodgers and played for 90 minutes plus ,the more the manager will be described as feeble in the face of nostalgia ....Seriously had enough of this
farce and Gerrard is quickly evolving into a 'pariah for this team that I love. Liverpool supporters are not renowned for suffering fools for long ,especially when it starts tangibly hurting the team they support more passionately than any other fans the length and breadth of Europe. 

We're known for our football acumen and inherent football knowledge that has been handed down from fathers to sons right through our lineage ,why the f*ck should
we be expected to be less audible when the ruination of everything we hold dear is being torn asunder by the managers ridiculous perception of sentimentality ?

Gerrard was given a massive bashing on tho forum by the same people last season until we strung together nearly a title winning number of games. Nobody would argue except a fool that he is not past his best. SURELY WE HAVE GOT TO GIVE THIS MORE THAN A FEW GAMES TO SEE IF IT WORKS INSTEAD OF SUGGESTING THAT THE NEW SIGNINGS ARE POOR AND THAT GERRARD IS FINISHED. I think the team spirit and Rodger's tactics are a key problem at the moment. Utilising the likes of Borini and Lucas to start when both players know that the club was almost desperate to get rid of them during the summer isn't really very bright.

As for eating humble pie Stu no doubt you are still stuffed from the massive portion you had to eat at the end of last season. We missed winning the title by 2 points and at times reading your stuff I would have thought if I didn't know better that we were relegation bound !!! It is inevitable if you write virtually nothing other than negative statements that eventually you will get something right but once again you are so ridiculously premature with your new player assessments that it is unbelievable. Just remember you had Sterling down as a Championship player at the beginning of last season 

I know its been a fkg awful start to the season but lets a least hold our heads up high. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO YNWA    t

PS: At least Van Girl has mad my weekend just a little bit better