Liverpool FC Forum

[Redman in wales]

We wanted Kenny and it didn't work, I'm not happy with the wa it all happened but it did. Now we call for Rafa, what if that doesn't work? Turn on them again?

Not it will be "give him more time" and "he needs to build his own squad - this isn't his squad"

It was touched on in one of the TAW podcasts. We (well some of the fans) have this thing with messionic managers. (Managers we treat as messiers) Rafa has quite rightly won the hearts for bringing number 5 home. and for a lot of other things besides.

If Rafa wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "give him more time"

If Martinez wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "wrong man for the job" or "we should have got Rafa"

Just like old Woy. Yes I agree he wasn't right for the job, but the lack of support he received was amazing. Whether it's Rogers, Martinez, or someone else who isn't considered good enough, or ready, why can't they be judged the same way as Kenny and Rafa? Rafa finished 7th in his last season, Kenny's just finished 8th. If Martinez finished 6th or 7th in his first season, whilst trying to implement new styles etc, I guarantee some fans will be calling for his head, saying that Rafa would have done better.

[Boocity]

2 things....

1)  The Rafa site is pathetic. 

2)  Fair play to SOS.  All they're doing is trying to make sure the club is being run properly and for the right reasons.  And lets be honest, FSG have been here for about 18 months and half of our staff have been sacked.  Us fan's have no idea whats going on at the club.

Hoping to hear something soon but im glad SOS are asking questions.

Considering how far we have fallen behind in the league, half the staff needed sacking

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

We wanted Kenny and it didn't work, I'm not happy with the wa it all happened but it did. Now we call for Rafa, what if that doesn't work? Turn on them again?

This is getting ridiculous, I support LFC and would rather let the owners run the club their way than having the ideas of fans rammed down their throats. Just let them get on with it FFS

I concur, some of the behaviour and some attitudes amongst Liverpool supporters is deeply embarrassing. Supporters have no right to demand an input on club decisions, nor should they. Supporters should do what they do best, support and let the businessmen get on with running the club.

i think in the past thats exactly what fans used to do, they supported the club and let the owners just get on with the job of running it.
i think the other pair of cowboys were game changers though.
this new influx of oversea`s owners arent cut from the same cloth as the owners of yesteryear, dont get me wrong there were a lot of $*i*e owners years ago but they all loved the game, they tended to be local businessman who grew up in the area and supported the club and to be fair to them they were often around in the bad times when there was no money in the game and the game wasnt seen as the `new rock and roll` as it is now.
because of hooliganism and the terrible state of the grounds the middle classes wouldnt touch the game with a barge pole years ago, the old owners werent there to maximise their profits they were often there to save their local club.
these modern owners are here for the money.
saying that, that rafa site is embaressing, i want the man to be our manager but thats just ridiculous.

[Thommo's perm]

What exactly do supporters know about running a club ?

I didnt say supporters should run the club.
I said supporters should be consulted and engaged with on significant issues and be a part of the decision making process.
Your question could easily be asked about the current custodians...

[Benny The Noon]

What exactly do supporters know about running a club ?

I didnt say supporters should run the club.
I said supporters should be consulted and engaged with on significant issues and be a part of the decision making process.
Your question could easily be asked about the current custodians...

Supporters should have no part to play in any desicion making process .

They should support.

[Thommo's perm]

What exactly do supporters know about running a club ?

I didnt say supporters should run the club.
I said supporters should be consulted and engaged with on significant issues and be a part of the decision making process.
Your question could easily be asked about the current custodians...

Supporters should have no part to play in any desicion making process .

They should support.

I disagree.
If someone is doing something in your interests (allegedly) then you should have an input in what decisions are made on your behalf. It gives the wrong impression to say that supporters dont know anything about how a football club is run. Many may not be interested in the workings, but some are and they are intelligent enough to understand how things work. Its too simplistic to say supporters should not be involved in matters which affect them and their club and I wish more supporters would get involved and demand that owners listen to them. They are the ones who pay to watch the team and keep the club going.
Without supporters there would be no LFC

[maypaxvobiscum]

We wanted Kenny and it didn't work, I'm not happy with the wa it all happened but it did. Now we call for Rafa, what if that doesn't work? Turn on them again?

Not it will be "give him more time" and "he needs to build his own squad - this isn't his squad"

It was touched on in one of the TAW podcasts. We (well some of the fans) have this thing with messionic managers. (Managers we treat as messiers) Rafa has quite rightly won the hearts for bringing number 5 home. and for a lot of other things besides.

If Rafa wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "give him more time"

If Martinez wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "wrong man for the job" or "we should have got Rafa"

Just like old Woy. Yes I agree he wasn't right for the job, but the lack of support he received was amazing. Whether it's Rogers, Martinez, or someone else who isn't considered good enough, or ready, why can't they be judged the same way as Kenny and Rafa? Rafa finished 7th in his last season, Kenny's just finished 8th. If Martinez finished 6th or 7th in his first season, whilst trying to implement new styles etc, I guarantee some fans will be calling for his head, saying that Rafa would have done better.

Well said 

[Waldo]

It's a no brainer to at least talk to Rafa. He clearly has the club at heart and wants the best for LFC. Do any of the other candidates have that - NO.

I read the points about 'never go back' but that is a load of nonsense in this instance. The club is a different beast to the one Rafa left. With some £££ we saw what Rafa could achieve with a 2nd place in league and CL win. Forget the past and have a serious look at Rafa.

Rafa and Louis Van Gaal as sporting director would offer solidity and experience, give some of our top players comfort that they were in safe hands - which I am not sure would be the case with others mentioned.

[Benny The Noon]

I disagree.
If someone is doing something in your interests (allegedly) then you should have an input in what decisions are made on your behalf. It gives the wrong impression to say that supporters dont know anything about how a football club is run. Many may not be interested in the workings, but some are and they are intelligent enough to understand how things work. Its too simplistic to say supporters should not be involved in matters which affect them and their club and I wish more supporters would get involved and demand that owners listen to them. They are the ones who pay to watch the team and keep the club going.
Without supporters there would be no LFC

FSG own the club - it is in their right to do as they see fit.

Supporters have no rights at all. It isn't their club it is FSG's. Time to drag yourself into the current non fantasy world.

It may seem harsh but that is reality - the supporters don't own the club they just "support" it.

On the day the fans own the club they then can have their say in the running off it.

Until then they support the owners and the club to do what they think is best for the club.

[Benny The Noon]

We wanted Kenny and it didn't work, I'm not happy with the wa it all happened but it did. Now we call for Rafa, what if that doesn't work? Turn on them again?

Not it will be "give him more time" and "he needs to build his own squad - this isn't his squad"

It was touched on in one of the TAW podcasts. We (well some of the fans) have this thing with messionic managers. (Managers we treat as messiers) Rafa has quite rightly won the hearts for bringing number 5 home. and for a lot of other things besides.

If Rafa wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "give him more time"

If Martinez wins only 1 out of first 5 games  it would be  "wrong man for the job" or "we should have got Rafa"

Just like old Woy. Yes I agree he wasn't right for the job, but the lack of support he received was amazing. Whether it's Rogers, Martinez, or someone else who isn't considered good enough, or ready, why can't they be judged the same way as Kenny and Rafa? Rafa finished 7th in his last season, Kenny's just finished 8th. If Martinez finished 6th or 7th in his first season, whilst trying to implement new styles etc, I guarantee some fans will be calling for his head, saying that Rafa would have done better.

Well said 

Not sure what you are nodding your head at you have demanded every manager be sacked in the last 3 years. You are part of the problem.

No doubt you will be asking the new manager to be sacked when they don't meet your standards

[Thommo's perm]

Benny the noon:

"FSG own the club - it is in their right to do as they see fit.

Supporters have no rights at all. It isn't their club it is FSG's. Time to drag yourself into the current non fantasy world.

It may seem harsh but that is reality - the supporters don't own the club they just "support" it.

On the day the fans own the club they then can have their say in the running off it.

Until then they support the owners and the club to do what they think is best for the club."

You need to come out of the dark ages where supporters are treated like mushrooms.
Supporters absolutely do have rights. They have a right to complain or stop paying to watch football if they so wish.
FSG may well own the club at the minute but they are absolutely fu'cked without the supporters. Its people like you who are holding football back with this "do as your told" attitude. We support the owners as long as we feel they are doing whats best for OUR club. If you dont believe me have a look back at twit and tw@t and what happened to them.
It is plain silly to say supporters should just pay and shut up. You might enjoy being taken for a fool and treated like a tit. Some people dont. You shouldnt criticise them for wanting a say into how their club is run. If you want to sit there with your mouth shut and your finger up your ar'se thats fine. But dont attack those who feel differently

[The Good Yank]

We wanted Kenny and it didn't work, I'm not happy with the wa it all happened but it did. Now we call for Rafa, what if that doesn't work? Turn on them again?

This is getting ridiculous, I support LFC and would rather let the owners run the club their way than having the ideas of fans rammed down their throats. Just let them get on with it FFS

I concur, some of the behaviour and some attitudes amongst Liverpool supporters is deeply embarrassing. Supporters have no right to demand an input on club decisions, nor should they. Supporters should do what they do best, support and let the businessmen get on with running the club.

Thommo, these posts would be along the lines of my elaboration.

[Benny The Noon]

Liverpool FC is a business run by businessmen - supporters are customers now - they either pay for the product if they like it or they don't - that is their choice - that is how other clubs get run.

It is a harsh reality - fans setting up websites to send e mails to the owners ?! Embaressing and pathetic and make us look tools

What if the fans all disagreed on something ?! Who do you listen too ?

Complain all you want , but at the end of the day we either accept what is going on or we go elsewhere.

If you want to have a say in running a club then join Ebbsfleet or AFC Liverpool.

People still live in a fantasy where it's the "supporters" club - it isn't and it never will be.

[Kenny Kan]

Not sure what you are nodding your head at you have demanded every manager be sacked in the last 3 years. You are part of the problem.

No doubt you will be asking the new manager to be sacked when they don't meet your standards

[tubby]

The point here is Rafa never should have gone in the 1st place hence the push to get him back. All the clowns who jumped on that bandwagon must have realised by now what a colossal mistake that was so I don't see anything wrong with wanting him back.

This isn't the 1st time fans have taken to social media to get a point across so I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist. I assume those moaning are the ones who don't want him back.