Liverpool FC Forum

[Penguins]

Never mind win it, why did GH do **** all in the biggest club tournament? Got past the group stages once to be knocked out by the mighty Bayern Leverkusen.
Going past the group stages was something RB failed to do once...

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

can we stop all this cr@p about it being GH team, so what if he was the previous manager, if the team he left where so good he wouldnt of been out of a job now would he and like someone else has pointed out if it was so easy and it was his team then why the fook didnt he win it when he had the chance, its fooking utter nonsense and pisses me off no end.

he even got us too another final in 07 and some still try and discredit his achievement in 05 as if it where some fluke.

[Ben Patrick]

If rafa won the champions league with houlliers team , then why didn't houllier win it then ?

because Rafa was/is a better manager mate 

[Penguins]

shh, Ben. Don't say it out loud   

[Octsky]

OK, that’s what I’ve spend time looking at and concluding. Could somebody please give me some justification for those believing GH left a better squad than RB?

i still remember the headlines " Record signing Heskey join LFC for 11mil !!!"

11m for a record signing under GH?

how many players over 11m were signed under Rafa ?

taking inflation rate in football n economy into consideration Rafa still greatly outspend GH.
then how can you compare their squad? 

Rafa did won the CL n FA cup, but how many barren years did LFC fans suffered before GH won the treble and put us on the euro stage?

adding to that GH "discovered" Gerrard and "rediscovered" Carra by trusting him in the Central D role. he gave also Danny Murphy a chance to perform.
while Rafa has done sh1t bringing youth players into the first team setup. hopefully RH can change that.

Was it not benitez who really gave carragher his chance in centre back.Houlliers usually only played him right back with the ocassion centre bacxk when henchoz or hyypia were out.

Disagree that rafa wasted money with youth.The youth players we have now are mostly rafas purchases.Pacheco,suso,shelvey...all huge prospects...I know during his time there was barely any new young faces but to be fair to get a young lad from your youth system through is very hard nowadays being a top four club.Martin kelly is a gem and he came about during rafas time

me thinks it was GH who gave carra the chance at central back after the treble season, if not carra wont named him the best manager he has ever played under.

if rafa gave a chance to Kelly we will have saved 18 m on Johnson.
I believed Rafa made 2 very bad signings that led to his downfall, Aquaman and Johnson.

[Octsky]

If rafa won the champions league with houlliers team , then why didn't houllier win it then ?

because Rafa was/is a better manager mate 

if rafa is so good, why was he sacked twice in a year?
he could have been sacked earlier by us be it not for our high threshold for pain and rubbish.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

the threshold for reading utter cr@p is pretty high around here these days.

[parchpea]

The rot set in for Benitez when he attempted to manufacture a situation where by he moved Alonso out and Barry in. This was not only a very poor call but backfired in spectacular fashion when Barry chose to go to City and he then lost Alonso who was unhappy with the way he was treated. At this point we lost a player who was fundemental to the way we played, he set the tempo and made us tick and it was a bitter blow for us. Rafa tried to cover the massive whole in the team but failed in the short term and then fell out with the owners when he tried to secure more funds to turn it around. They would not give him the money and so the team went into decline and by the finish a parting of ways was inevtiable seeing as we had no solution in the boardroom or on the field. Had to say but I beleive had he not stuffed up the Alonso thing Benitez would still be manager now.

[Penguins]

And why was that in the 1st place???

Being forced to compete for the league on a sell to buy policy.

You know what you win under those circumstances?

Nothing, nothing at all!

That is the reason we won the league 20 years ago.

Same . Trying to bark with the big boys, but when it is time to fork up the money for top quality players we are nowhere to be seen.

When it finally happened that we forked up 20 million for Torres it was so special. I say!
If you want to compete 20 million players should not be super duper special occurences.

[kazza]

And why was that in the 1st place???

Being forced to compete for the league on a sell to buy policy.

You know what you win under those circumstances?

Nothing, nothing at all!

That is the reason we won the league 20 years ago.

Same . Trying to bark with the big boys, but when it is time to fork up the money for top quality players we are nowhere to be seen.

When it finally happened that we forked up 20 million for Torres it was so special. I say!
If you want to compete 20 million players should not be super duper special occurences.

Exactly, look how many 20 million players that Utd and Chelsea have and you'll see why it is those teams that have been winning the prem. We have two 20 milion players Gerrard and Torres and if any of them get injured we are screwed.

A good manager will win you more games than an average manager but he will not win you the prem, for that you need a strong squad (and probably five or six 20 million pound players).

[Rockthekop]

And why was that in the 1st place???

Being forced to compete for the league on a sell to buy policy.

You know what you win under those circumstances?

Nothing, nothing at all!

That is the reason we won the league 20 years ago.

Same . Trying to bark with the big boys, but when it is time to fork up the money for top quality players we are nowhere to be seen.

When it finally happened that we forked up 20 million for Torres it was so special. I say!
If you want to compete 20 million players should not be super duper special occurences.

Exactly, look how many 20 million players that Utd and Chelsea have and you'll see why it is those teams that have been winning the prem. We have two 20 milion players Gerrard and Torres and if any of them get injured we are screwed.

A good manager will win you more games than an average manager but he will not win you the prem, for that you need a strong squad (and probably five or six 20 million pound players).

Nor will any manager who thinks Keane, Aquilani and Johnson are worth 57m combined.  Rafa had at least five separate opportunities to spend around 20m on a player, two of those were quality signings (Torres and Mash) the others were very poor buys in terms of the prices paid. 

Apart from Torres and Mash, Reina and Agger are the only other quality players he bought that are still at the club.  That's not a good return considering the amount of money spent over six years.  The money that was available was not well spent mostly.

[metalhead]

And why was that in the 1st place???

Being forced to compete for the league on a sell to buy policy.

You know what you win under those circumstances?

Nothing, nothing at all!

That is the reason we won the league 20 years ago.

Same . Trying to bark with the big boys, but when it is time to fork up the money for top quality players we are nowhere to be seen.

When it finally happened that we forked up 20 million for Torres it was so special. I say!
If you want to compete 20 million players should not be super duper special occurences.

Yes, sell to buy policy, that is fine, but when he had the funds to spend, did he spend it wisely?

he spent money on flops.

[Penguins]

But that is simply not the entire truth and you know it.

So Rafa bought Keane, Aqualiani, Dossena.
Well, he also bought Torres, Alonso, Reina, Garcia, Agger.

Just like Ferguson bought Veron, Djemba Djemba, Forlan
The difference is what did manure do when they realized Veron had been a 30 million flop???

They gave another 55 to spend on Ferdinand and Rooney.

There will never be a picture perfect manager that never buys flops.

GH bought even more flops than Rafa ffs.

[Kukilon]

Penguin no need to tell them the truth they are clueless.

[metalhead]

But that is simply not the entire truth and you know it.

So Rafa bought Keane, Aqualiani, Dossena.
Well, he also bought Torres, Alonso, Reina, Garcia, Agger.

Just like Ferguson bought Veron, Djemba Djemba, Forlan
The difference is what did manure do when they realized Veron had been a 30 million flop???

They gave another 55 to spend on Ferdinand and Rooney.

There will never be a picture perfect manager that never buys flops.

GH bought even more flops than Rafa ffs.

Ok, the last two seasons who did we buy from the ''sales'' that turned out to be excellent player for us?

No one,

Aquilani - 20m
Keane - 20m
Dossenna - 7m

that is 47m on flops

Why did we suddenly go from 2nd place to 7th in one season?