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[monkey 20]

We could always have a "Would we miss Rafa now that Houlliers available again" thread.

oooo....yes please 

[account deleted by request]

Cracking thread this an it's taken me a hour to catch up with the last 48 hours worth of posts. It does look like it's pretty much run it's course though.

A mixture of views on here which seem to fall into three different camps, FWIW I fall into the 3rd camp.

1 - We would be absolutely crazy to sell Alonso. One of our very best players and crucial to the future progression of the club.

2 - Sell him for the good of the team if the right offer comes in. He has performed below his own high standards the past 18 months and it's a great opportunity to build the team around Stevie.g in the middle of the park.

3 - Cracking player, we should keep him. Don't want to see him leave. Would only sell him if it was necessary in order to bring in the likes of E'to, Villa or Tevez to play up front.

I am a number three as well Scott , maybe you could do poll ?(Preferably locked so it saves on the abuse   )

[monkey 20]

gotta say im with u on that one saint...defo number 3.

[Scottbot]

I am a number three as well Scott , maybe you could do poll ?(Preferably locked so it saves on the abuse   )

Have just tried mate but no cigar, am doing something wrong as it keeps telling me i've only given one poll option. Think i've only ever started a poll once before an that was years ago. Maybe someone else can do it?

[LFC2007]

Cracking thread this an it's taken me a hour to catch up with the last 48 hours worth of posts. It does look like it's pretty much run it's course though.

A mixture of views on here which seem to fall into three different camps, FWIW I fall into the 3rd camp.

1 - We would be absolutely crazy to sell Alonso. One of our very best players and crucial to the future progression of the club.

2 - Sell him for the good of the team if the right offer comes in. He has performed below his own high standards the past 18 months and it's a great opportunity to build the team around Stevie.g in the middle of the park.

3 - Cracking player, we should keep him. Don't want to see him leave. Would only sell him if it was necessary in order to bring in the likes of E'to, Villa or Tevez to play up front.

I am a number three as well Scott , maybe you could do poll ?(Preferably locked so it saves on the abuse   )

Where's the choice that says:

"Alonso is a class player, I believe we should keep him because he has shown his value to the side?"

It's not quite "we would be crazy to sell, he is crucial", nor is it "I would only sell him if it helped sanction a deal for x player".

[redtrader74]

Very interesting article in the Times, ranking players this season in relation to their importance and effect on thier own clubs.
Our top ranked player was Reina,then Hypia, Kuyt,Alonso, lots of our players in the 100's+   player rankings 2006-7

[Sabre]

The link doesn't work, mate. But bring it once you have it, please.

[redtrader74]

Times online
Try this, or go to www.timesonline.co.uk, football.

[The_Rock]

Very interesting article in the Times, ranking players this season in relation to their importance and effect on thier own clubs.player rankings 2006-7
Our top ranked player was Reina,then Hypia, Kuyt,Alonso, lots of our players in the 100's+

No carra or gerrard

Don't think we can pay much attention to it then....

[Sabre]

I'll read the article later, but the top 10 is a joke

THE TOP 10

KEY: Player, club, position, pitch time, time-adjusted points

1 C Ronaldo Manchester United Midfield 85.12% 19.12

Voted player of the year by his fellow professionals and by football writers, the 22-year-old Portugal winger is our man of the season as well

2 F Lampard Chelsea M 97.31% 16.24

An ordinary season for Lampard? The statistics say otherwise

3 Gilberto Arsenal M 88.14% 16.01 P

Ten league goals was a remarkable return for the midfield man

4 Cech Chelsea G 50.15% 14.41

Chelsea missed their ’keeper desperately when he was injured

5 J Lehmann Arsenal G 97.30% 13.94

He may be 37 but the German is still among the league’s elite

6 P Scholes Man Utd M 79.10% 13.50

Enjoyed spectacular return to form after last season’s eye injury

7 T Howard Everton G 94.59% 12.96

Failed to make the grade at Old Trafford but a Goodison star

8 N Vidic Man Utd D 66.11% 10.48

The centre back was rock-solid in his first full season in England

9 B McCarthy Blackburn F 88.98% 9.91

Eighteen goals in 36 starts proves McCarthy is a lethal predator

10 A Hleb Arsenal M 68.14% 9.87

Not as flashy as some of his teammates, but highly effective


Either those footballers and writers that have elected Ronaldo as first, and have put Benny McCarthy the ex-Celta player before any of our players, is mad, or they know all about football, or they hate LFC.

Those top 10 men were not in Athens.

P.S. I've read the explanation now. The Fink Rank Rating system is anti-Liverpool

[dward]

That list is stupid. How can Drogba be 19th?

[Sabre]

17 José Manuel Reina G 94.56% 8.47

31 Dirk Kuyt F 74.74% 6.47

41 Sami Hyypia D 61.02% 5.33

43 Xabi Alonso M 78.98% 5.11

61 Craig Bellamy F 57.57% 4.10

67 Jamie Carragher D 86.85% 3.73

75 Daniel Agger D 62.22% 3.34

80 Steven Gerrard M 89.85% 3.12

96 Peter Crouch F 45.44% 2.39

103 Luis GarcÍa M 30.03% 2.24

113 Steve Finnan D 84.05% 1.77

121 Robbie Fowler F 15.29% 1.63

138 Boudewijn Zenden M 22.70% 1.28

144 Fabio Aurélio D 30.48% 1.16

145 John Arne Riise M 74.44% 1.16

153 Mohamed Sissoko M 36.79% 0.83

166 Stephen Warnock D 31.26% 0.38

173 Álvaro Arbeloa D 19.31% 0.17

192 Javier Mascherano M 22.88% -0.39

193 Jermaine Pennant M 59.10% -0.41

249 Mark González D 36.49% -1.52

This is the same list, but for LFC players. Despite it analyses aspects of the game and stats, like all the tats, it's not faithful to me. Although I agree Reina did a great job and had an impact, and although I agree Gonzalez didn't.

[redtrader74]

oops, maybe we could start as a thread on its own? MODS

[Lando_Griffin]

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

Erm, guys...I think we can end our argument with Lando already..because it's pretty obvious he doesn't understand the definition of 'facts'.

It's pretty embarassing for him indeed, going on about 'facts' only for us to realize he doesn't understand what he himself is talking about. So lets all stop laughing at him after I give him a simple lesson in differentiating between terms.

Fact 1: Humans need oxygen to live.

Fact 2: Liverpool beat Chelsea in the Champions league semi-finals 2007.

Opinion 1 (more accurately, Hypothesis 1): "In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.."

Opinion 2: "Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense."

Opinion 3: "Xabi is the brain on the pitch."


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Now why is Opinion 1, an opinion? 

The win/losses as cited by our young Lando which 'proves' his point does not prove anything at all. For there all more then 1 independent varible which can cause a change in the dependent variable. Simply put, in those games that we lost w/o Alonso, we might have also lost other players; the coach's formation selection played into the opposition's hands; the weather suited the opposition more etc etc the list goes on.

Until you have calculated every single variable (which is hardly possible) only to discover the hard truth that Alonso's absence is the cause for defeats, then only can you cite it as a 'fact'.

Now why are Opinions 2 and 3, just Opinions?

Try to apply the logic as explained above. This will be your homework for the week young Lando. 


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P.S. Honestly I can't believe you said "Xabi is the brain on the pitch" and proclaimed condescendingly "THESE, my friend, are facts."

ROFL.

Excuse the unbridled laughter.

You type like an intellectual, but you miss the points entirely. I'd have thought it was an absurdly simple premise:

Our team did not play as well, losing many matches, when Alonso was not in the team. The same cannot be said to the same degree about any other player on our books. This is FACT. It happened. Get over yourself you pompous little blurt.

As for the clean sheet quote - the opta stats show that he made more tackles than the vast majority of the team, and unless I am mistaken, that helps towards maintaining a clean sheet, does it not? Do not try and sh*t your way out of the problem, knobhead.

And as for the statement "Xabi is the brain on the pitch", had you bothered to quote the rest of the paragraph, even you and your tiny, tiny brain would have realised that this was merely an observation, leading to the FACT that " it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect." THEY are the facts in that point, you f*cking demented tw*t. The level of misplaced confidence on here is astounding.

Listen here, you buffoon - do not even attempt to belittle me, when it is plainly obvious you have all the mental capacity of a pigmi's thimble. Get yourself a job at the S*n - they could use a c*nt like you who conveniently omits the full story in favour of some bag of sh*t that backs up your retarded point of view.

Might I suggest you get yourself down to the nearest Primary school first, though, and learn how to read the English language and understand all of it's nuances?

P.S.

See what I did there? I showed your outwardly "triumphant" post up for what it was - a load of sh*t missing all depth and content.

Imbecile.

[Sabre]

oops, maybe we could start as a thread on its own? MODS

You don't need the mods. You can open one yourself, you're not one of those who open threads happily.