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[Sabre]

Has newkit always been like this?

No. I remember it friendly.

Not any more.

Bamaga-man: by any one, I mean, any one, including Lando. I don't come here to be liked, or hated, or praised or insulted. I come here to discuss football. I can't see anthing wrong if I say this. And as I've said, we WERE having a good footie discussion, let's continue it.

[Rafa D]

FWIW.

I like Sabre.

I like Lando

I like Peewee.

I like Bamagaman dressed a woman with stillettos on mmm, oh er back to thread.

I agree with Lando on the Xabi Alonso issue. However I feel he posted his post to goad a reaction out of peewee, possibly over the whole Sabre debacle.


Just my views before you all kick off.

Jolly good fun for a tuesdat morning though.

Cheerio.

[112-1077774096]

yeah landos post got a little personal with whole expat, ex police thing, no real need for any of that, its obvious his hatred is not football related, sad really.

but hey i have decided to pm him and take up on his bet as to why i left the poilce, just waiting now to see how much he wants to put in  (and i went to south east asia, not the far east 9 years after i left the police so if i was running from something i must be even slower than hyypia)

[bigmick]

Good thread this and I include the abuse which is being dished out. Some heavywieght bruisers dishing it out and taking it, no problem there as far as I'm concerned, you lot are big enough and daft enough etc etc.

Just a couple of observations. Lando is as funny as feck (it's official in my book of officialness anyway), and he sticks to his guns through thick and thin which I admire. He's always really rated Alonso, not just like most of us who think Xabi is a top player but much more than that. Lando has always felt Xabi is superior to Gerrard so he's hardly going to sit back while we all peruse the possibility of selling the Spaniard without stepping in with one of his trademark rants. Fair enough, his reaction is what I would have expected and I don't mind if I'm a clueless C or whatever those who advocated the possible sale are, Lando's a good fella and I can't think of anyone I'd rather call me that off the top of my head.

Peewee, Bamaga and saint do appear to have mostly gotten over the Sabre thing, and in this regard they have been conducting themselves pretty well in my opinion. That said when faced with Lando's rant, I reckon they are perfectly entitled to rare up if they see fit, and obviously they did. Clearly not everyone takes being called a clueless gimp by the Griff' with the same casual shrug as myself, and I guess that's their privilage.

To tell the truth, the thread has probably had as much reasonable imput as it's going to have anyway so there's probably nothing to ruin. I would just make the request though that both sides keep the language and vitriol to this thread and this thread alone, as we don't want it spilling over into every thread in the way that the other spats have in recent times.

[Sabre]

Sabre picks the long iron  studs.

Back to the discussion thread where I left it.

Alan Hansen has won a lot of things. A great player. Important. But I think, for what I read of him, that he criticises everything. Not only Alonso, everything. People are not paid by a paper to say happy clappy things.

Like in the TV, and the press, they're paid to say juicy things. And some of them go a bit too far finding something to criticise. Anyway, I preffer a wrong opinion of a poster, rather than to discuss about Alan Hansen's opinions, since we all could go and search and read his articles.

As for the Bamaga point about Gerrard, with his 4 year old niece conversation, well I think your niece has a promising career as football commentator. Not bad points for a 4 year older. In England, Gerrard was asked to play too deep, and he was misplaced by Sven. It's probably aswell because he's the only one to be able to do the job.

But my point is, do not take it as a disrespect, take it as a praise of what a hell of player he is. I don't think coaches see the right side of the pitch as some sort of exile and hell, they just pick the players to have the most strong starting eleven. I'm sure that if those positions are well covered, you'll all see Gerrard in your favourite position. And we'll check that soon enough, we only have to wait.

[Judge]

Good thread this and I include the abuse which is being dished out. Some heavywieght bruisers dishing it out and taking it, no problem there as far as I'm concerned, you lot are big enough and daft enough etc etc.

Just a couple of observations. Lando is as funny as feck (it's official in my book of officialness anyway), and he sticks to his guns through thick and thin which I admire. He's always really rated Alonso, not just like most of us who think Xabi is a top player but much more than that. Lando has always felt Xabi is superior to Gerrard so he's hardly going to sit back while we all peruse the possibility of selling the Spaniard without stepping in with one of his trademark rants. Fair enough, his reaction is what I would have expected and I don't mind if I'm a clueless C or whatever those who advocated the possible sale are, Lando's a good fella and I can't think of anyone I'd rather call me that off the top of my head.

Peewee, Bamaga and saint do appear to have mostly gotten over the Sabre thing, and in this regard they have been conducting themselves pretty well in my opinion. That said when faced with Lando's rant, I reckon they are perfectly entitled to rare up if they see fit, and obviously they did. Clearly not everyone takes being called a clueless gimp by the Griff' with the same casual shrug as myself, and I guess that's their privilage.

To tell the truth, the thread has probably had as much reasonable imput as it's going to have anyway so there's probably nothing to ruin. I would just make the request though that both sides keep the language and vitriol to this thread and this thread alone, as we don't want it spilling over into every thread in the way that the other spats have in recent times.

i draw the line at dole dossing wasters though 

[bigmick]

 

[Judge]

 

i knew that would make you laugh, now where's karim     

[66-1112520797]

As for the Bamaga point about Gerrard, with his 4 year old niece conversation, well I think your niece has a promising career as football commentator. Not bad points for a 4 year older. In England, Gerrard was asked to play too deep, and he was misplaced by Sven. It's probably aswell because he's the only one to be able to do the job

nice one.

But my point is, do not take it as a disrespect, take it as a praise of what a hell of player he is. I don't think coaches see the right side of the pitch as some sort of exile and hell, they just pick the players to have the most strong starting eleven. I'm sure that if those positions are well covered, you'll all see Gerrard in your favourite position. And we'll check that soon enough, we only have to wait.

I dont take it as disrespect and I'm sure Rafa and Sven didnt or dont see it that way when they stuck him out wide or wherever, but he'd be a much better player and we'd be a much better team if our skipper got to play in his proper position.

I know he can play right mid, and AM but he doesnt have the impact from right mid, he doesnt have the ability like Tevez or Garcia to play as an attacking mid. He's a stop gap in both those positions IMHO, when he can do a lot more from the center of the pitch.

But opinons have changed since Rafa moved him out wide for us. Granted he did have a fantastic season out there for us and it is definately worth debating. But when Sven or McClaren does it, there seen as total "cretins". Anyway FWIW I like Gerrard central, I think Alonso and Mascha are very good centrally too. I cant be 100% sure as I havent seen enough of the Mascha- Gerrard combo in the middle but its my hunch that their partnership will work more than the Alonso-Gerrard  did.

That doesnt mean sell him because of that, but what we do lack and have lacked since M.Owen left, is a World class striker. Now if there was a part-exchange involving him and Eto' possibly for 15 million pound, I think Rafa would have to think very seriously about it, he'd have to consider it surely ?

But I did say before, I'd  happily and preferably take Owen and Tevez for around the 30 million mark and keep Xabi, that would be the better option IMHO as we're not loosing a quality player in order to gain one or players coming in.

BTW I found Micks post humouress and enlighting 

[redtrader74]

I don't think anyone can argue that Lampard is a more prolific scorer than Gerrard because he is also a more selfish player , try including how many more shots Lampard has to Gerrard.If you want to cream your pants over Alonso you also have to face facts AS WELL, apart from all the unnoticed stuff that only certain members of the forum are blessed with the ability to see, he has only made one assist all season, and in the view of most respected critics including Alan Hansen, Tommy Smith etc he has had a poor season. Then again wtf would they know, what have they ever won!

Yes Lampard is more prolific a goal scorer and more prolific in assists to Gerrard. Therefore if you wish to state Xabi's assists as a negative then obviously you believe Fatty to be better than Gerrard? And if scoring goals is selfish, i couldn't give a shit, as i thought thats the ultimate point of football.

It is not about creaming pants over Alonso, it is about having a balanced view, something that is too difficult for you. Xabi's season has not been any worse than Gerrards yet as the home town boy he can't be criticised. If we follow your argument then lets sell Gerrard for £35-40m and buy TWO top goalscorers for £20m each.

The unnoticed work you mention is important, because without that, for example the stats would prove Lampard to be better than Gerrard which he is not imo.

If you believe that the opinions of Hansen, Smith et al to be the be all, then why don't you stop posting on here and when a topic starts just search the net for what they have said and post that.

[66-1112520797]

Gerrards yet as the home town boy he can't be criticised

Trust me mate, he does get critised on these boards, infact I dont think he gets the credit he actually deserves around this place.

Its probably due to the fact if anthing, that he is local people wont praise him enough and the obvious fact that he stands head and shoulders above anyone else in the squad in terms of footballing ability, its deemed as "boring" to constently praise the bloke and we'd all be accused of licking his boots.

Its happened around here before. 

[redtrader74]

Gerrards yet as the home town boy he can't be criticised

Trust me mate, he does get critised on these boards, infact I dont think he gets the credit he actually deserves around this place.

Its probably due to the fact if anthing, that he is local people wont praise him enough and the obvious fact that he stands head and shoulders above anyone else in the squad in terms of footballing ability, its deemed as "boring" to constently praise the bloke and we'd all be accused of licking his boots.

Its happened around here before. 

Yeah i have seen people try, and get shot down. I believe that he is the best English midfielder, but his mistakes, poorer performances aren't rarified into a 'well lets sell him and get 40m and buy 2 forwards thread'.

For me the reason why Lampard out assists and out scores Gerrard is down to having better and quicker players around him, and that was my logic behind me saying how we would get the the best out of Xabi.

[account deleted by request]

I don't think anyone can argue that Lampard is a more prolific scorer than Gerrard because he is also a more selfish player , try including how many more shots Lampard has to Gerrard.If you want to cream your pants over Alonso you also have to face facts AS WELL, apart from all the unnoticed stuff that only certain members of the forum are blessed with the ability to see, he has only made one assist all season, and in the view of most respected critics including Alan Hansen, Tommy Smith etc he has had a poor season. Then again wtf would they know, what have they ever won!

Yes Lampard is more prolific a goal scorer and more prolific in assists to Gerrard. Therefore if you wish to state Xabi's assists as a negative then obviously you believe Fatty to be better than Gerrard? And if scoring goals is selfish, i couldn't give a shit, as i thought thats the ultimate point of football.

It is not about creaming pants over Alonso, it is about having a balanced view, something that is too difficult for you. Xabi's season has not been any worse than Gerrards yet as the home town boy he can't be criticised. If we follow your argument then lets sell Gerrard for £35-40m and buy TWO top goalscorers for £20m each.

The unnoticed work you mention is important, because without that, for example the stats would prove Lampard to be better than Gerrard which he is not imo.

If you believe that the opinions of Hansen, Smith et al to be the be all, then why don't you stop posting on here and when a topic starts just search the net for what they have said and post that.

You seem to have some problem with that grey matter between your ears mate, try using it instead of just picking at it with a pencil. We have five midfielders for 2 places, in a perfect world we would keep all five you moron, as its not a perfect world, and any world that has pathetic little like you in it can't be perfect, we may have to sell one of them to strengthen in other areas. I think the obvious candidate would be Alonso for the reasons I gave. You obviously don't because you are an idiot.

Is that too hard for that little brain of yours to understand moron. Why not take trip back to the retard school you came from I am sure they miss you. !

[Sabre]

You seem to have some problem with that grey matter between your ears mate, try using it instead of just picking at it with a pencil. We have five midfielders for 2 places, in a perfect world we would keep all five you moron, as its not a perfect world, and any world that has pathetic little  like you in it can't be perfect, we may have to sell one of them to strengthen in other areas. I think the obvious candidate would be Alonso for the reasons I gave. You obviously don't because you are an idiot.

Is that too hard for that little brain of yours to understand moron. Why not take trip back to the retard school you came from I am sure they miss you. !

Relax. When you use insults you lose a lot of the ability to be convincing.

I do appreciate when you bring us articles you seek in the internet. I really do. But when it comes to football you have to check your opinions. Because in this thread you have compared Fabregas and Alonso, and that's comparing the night and the day when it comes to midfielders. Nothing to do.

We have five midfielders for 2 places, in a perfect world we would keep all five you moron, as its not a perfect world, and any world that has pathetic little  like you in it can't be perfect, we may have to sell one of them to strengthen in other areas. I think the obvious candidate would be Alonso for the reasons I gave. You obviously don't because you are an idiot.

While you have a great ability to go and find articles that slash our team and some players, you seem to overlook what Pako Aiestaran says. He has a closer and better look at what the team needs, and he follows the reality of the team closer than the journos and the wikipedia fréaks.

He's telling all of us we need more depth, yet you think we have to get rid of one of our midfielders. We only have to holding midfielders. You simply can't face 3 competitions with one. So if Alonso is sold, another holding mid will be signed.

Who would be better in your knowledgeable opinion than Alonso? At what price?

[account deleted by request]

do appreciate when you bring us articles you seek in the internet. I really do. But when it comes to football you have to check your opinions. Because in this thread you have compared Fabregas and Alonso, and that's comparing the night and the day when it comes to midfielders. 

If you noticed I was comparing Arsenals PAIR of Fabregas and Gilberto Silva, because Xabi doesnt really fall into either catagory as he plays further forward when played with Mascherano than when played with Sissoko or on the rare occasions he is paired with Gerrard. I also compared Boltons pair and Evertons pair. So to say I was comparing Alonso to Fabrigas is taking it out of context wouldnt you agree?

Where have I posted ANY article "slashing " Liverpool?  Saying I would sell Alonso if necessary to fund spending in other areas is not slashing Liverpool. You may think he is so good he couldn't be replaced, thats your opinion, mine is I would rather have a World Class striker than a 3or 4 th choice midfielder.

As I keep saying if we have the money there is no problem, I like Alonso , but hes the one player we can get decent money for who would be missed least(Sissoko is another option but I doubt we would get enough for him), so if push came to shove I would sell him. Its nice to have so much strength in midfield, it would be nice to have similar strength up front. Have we got the money for both, I don't know, do you?