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[Red @ Heart]

Here is a thought - go and support them teams if your so worried about them!

Recently all you post is drivel, that is deterimental to the club and this forum and you obviously don't have any football knowledge. This thread is fucking pathetic!

go fúck your self  i was merely making an honest post ok, if you didnt like it why bother posting,  its what i see, you lot might see it different from me thats why i asked,

fúking knobhead

EDIT: Sorry rafa that was harsh,

But what i was trying to say is that arsenal sign teenagers that can go straight into the first team as do manchester and yes we have signed teenagers too but correct me if im wrong how many of them have walked into the 1st team? and how many of them being teenagers actually play for there respective countries at liverpool? its not a dig at liverpool i love LFC and no other, it just písses me off that teams seems to find these players, why cant we.?


ps i am sorry for name calling.

[Red @ Heart]

im not talking about the likes of morientes the rooneys, and that, im talking about players no one has heard off, you know like players who have played a couple matches from there team and are geniune gems.

and im not talking about the signings rafas made im talking about the last ten years or so.

[EddieC]

I don't really see the point you're making here.

Ok, Arsenal have had a lot of good youngsters coming into the team at the same time, but Manure? Rooney & Ronaldo, who cost £30m & £10m (I think) apiece. Apart from that, what other youngsters have they got making regular appearances?

Remember we won the FA youth cup last season, so I don't think our youngsters are doing too badly. I keep quite a close eye on the youth team, and trust me, Anderson & Hammill at least are gonna be stars of the future. I also think Antwi, Hobbs & Roque will make the grade, still undecided on Peltier.

Don't forget, even in the current senior squad we have Agger, Paletta, Alonso, Sissoko, Riise, Gonzales, Pennant, Kuyt, Carson, Reina, Warnock & Crouch (might've forgotten some) who all have at least another 5 years in them, so where's the urgent need for youth breaking through?

We've got the youngsters there, we're just not reliant on them, which in my book is a good thing.

[tubby]

I think Adus going to be shyte. I mean talk about self hyped at such a young age. The American league isnt much to go by to be honest. Im sure there are a few Championship players who could go over there and become hyped.

[EddieC]

I think Adus going to be shyte. I mean talk about self hyped at such a young age. The American league isnt much to go by to be honest. Im sure there are a few Championship players who could go over there and become hyped.

I think the fact that Reading are in for him says it all.

It's easy to look good in the World Soccer Series (or whatever it is they call it) Tim Howard was the cream of the crop over there, need I say any more?

[LittleHobo]

Virtual unknowns before we signed them who have turned out to be "hidden gems" that others are jealous of:

Sissoko
Agger
Alonso
Garcia
Hyypia
Riise

alonso unknown? no

real madrid wanted him as their number one choice for a holding role midfielder

agger also was highly rated in europe (rated as denmarks best prospect since the laudrups)

sissoko had won 2 championships in spain

unknown? no but close to

garcia = same as alonso, had a big rep in spain.....therefore he wasnt unknown

unknowns who have done well for us are

hyypia
riise

cant of many others

wenger picks up players for like 250000 and turns them into wonderstars

[Bad Bob]

Virtual unknowns before we signed them who have turned out to be "hidden gems" that others are jealous of:

Sissoko
Agger
Alonso
Garcia
Hyypia
Riise

alonso unknown? no

real madrid wanted him as their number one choice for a holding role midfielder

agger also was highly rated in europe (rated as denmarks best prospect since the laudrups)

sissoko had won 2 championships in spain

unknown? no but close to

garcia = same as alonso, had a big rep in spain.....therefore he wasnt unknown

unknowns who have done well for us are

hyypia
riise

cant of many others

wenger picks up players for like 250000 and turns them into wonderstars

Doesn't change the fact that they were virtually unknown to most English fans prior to arriving at Anfield.  I mean, all players are known somewhere but only a few carry a strong reputation across national borders.  The original post cited Solskjaer and Schmeichel for the Mancs...who were hardly unknown in certain circles but who were not household names in England until signing and excelling with the Man U.

I'm sure if you dig back through threads from 2 years ago you'll find a lot of Xabi who?  Luis who?  How many people had heard of Agger before the rumours started flying that we were in for them?  That's my point.

[joko]

ono of the reasons may be that arsenal has a good fondation already for the youngsters to flourish. while our youngsters get more difficulties amongst other seniors who still struggle to get gel.

[Bad Bob]

I don't really see the point you're making here.

Ok, Arsenal have had a lot of good youngsters coming into the team at the same time, but Manure? Rooney & Ronaldo, who cost £30m & £10m (I think) apiece. Apart from that, what other youngsters have they got making regular appearances?

Remember we won the FA youth cup last season, so I don't think our youngsters are doing too badly. I keep quite a close eye on the youth team, and trust me, Anderson & Hammill at least are gonna be stars of the future. I also think Antwi, Hobbs & Roque will make the grade, still undecided on Peltier.

Don't forget, even in the current senior squad we have Agger, Paletta, Alonso, Sissoko, Riise, Gonzales, Pennant, Kuyt, Carson, Reina, Warnock & Crouch (might've forgotten some) who all have at least another 5 years in them, so where's the urgent need for youth breaking through?

We've got the youngsters there, we're just not reliant on them, which in my book is a good thing.

Good post.   

[67-1161385641]

I think Adus going to be shyte. I mean talk about self hyped at such a young age. The American league isnt much to go by to be honest. Im sure there are a few Championship players who could go over there and become hyped.

He's over hyped alright, but he had little trouble in taking apart Celtic (I think it was Celtic) in their pre-season, I don't know much about the guy, but he has some very good raw talent for his age (From what I've seen). Eddie, Tim Howard is a pretty decent keeper, sadly he is prone to the odd mistake, but if you look at Everton's team he is one important player for them. He's pulled off some wonderful saves for them this season and they've been vital saves.

[joko]

I don't really see the point you're making here.

Ok, Arsenal have had a lot of good youngsters coming into the team at the same time, but Manure? Rooney & Ronaldo, who cost £30m & £10m (I think) apiece. Apart from that, what other youngsters have they got making regular appearances?

Remember we won the FA youth cup last season, so I don't think our youngsters are doing too badly. I keep quite a close eye on the youth team, and trust me, Anderson & Hammill at least are gonna be stars of the future. I also think Antwi, Hobbs & Roque will make the grade, still undecided on Peltier.

Don't forget, even in the current senior squad we have Agger, Paletta, Alonso, Sissoko, Riise, Gonzales, Pennant, Kuyt, Carson, Reina, Warnock & Crouch (might've forgotten some) who all have at least another 5 years in them, so where's the urgent need for youth breaking through?

We've got the youngsters there, we're just not reliant on them, which in my book is a good thing.

Good post.   

hey what about mine?! 

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I dont think Liverpool have had a good chief scout since Dalglish sacked Geoff Twentyman, He was the one that found Ian Rush,Steve Nichol, Alec Lindsey, Steve Heighway, Terry McDermott etc. infact under Shankly many were bought solely on his recommendation, without the manager seeing them first.

The story I heard is that it was Twentyman that didn't follow up Dalglish's trial for Liverpool in 1967 and that was the reason he was sacked when Dalglish became manager.

Ron Yeats is Liverpool through and through but I dont think he has found many hidden gems since he took over as head coach. Many more of the buys now seem to be the managers picks anyway.

[67-1161385641]

Doesn't change the fact that they were virtually unknown to most English fans prior to arriving at Anfield.  I mean, all players are known somewhere but only a few carry a strong reputation across national borders.  The original post cited Solskjaer and Schmeichel for the Mancs...who were hardly unknown in certain circles but who were not household names in England until signing and excelling with the Man U.

I'm sure if you dig back through threads from 2 years ago you'll find a lot of Xabi who?  Luis who?  How many people had heard of Agger before the rumours started flying that we were in for them?  That's my point.

I think that's down to ignorance more than anything else. I try to watch some La Liga, Seria A and the Bundasliga as often as I can. Puroresu is spot on, players like Alonso, Sissoko and Riise were known to people who watch La Liga and Ligue one. Hyypia escaped my knowledge and I hadn't heard of him before, but at twenty six he was hardly a youth player.

How anyone hadn't heard of Luis Garcia before he came to Liverpool is beyond me, I'm not an avid watcher or follower of La Liga (I don't have the time to be). I knew who Luis was before he came to Liverpool. I didn't know Agger existed but then again that's down to my own ignorance. Ignorance is the key here (I don't mean ignorance in a bad way) but you can't call well known players in other countries as gems just because English people haven't heard of them. Luis Garcia was loved by many Barcelona fans; Sissoko was becoming quite the hit at Valencia.

I don't think your point is valid. You can't call every player we sign who is unknown to us a "gem" because the chances are they are known by a lot of people except us English people.

Most of us English didn't hear about Morientes until he arrived at Real Madrid in 1997, he was already known by most of Europe whilst at Zaragoza.

[Red @ Heart]

I don't really see the point you're making here.

Ok, Arsenal have had a lot of good youngsters coming into the team at the same time, but Manure? Rooney & Ronaldo, who cost £30m & £10m (I think) apiece. Apart from that, what other youngsters have they got making regular appearances?

Remember we won the FA youth cup last season, so I don't think our youngsters are doing too badly. I keep quite a close eye on the youth team, and trust me, Anderson & Hammill at least are gonna be stars of the future. I also think Antwi, Hobbs & Roque will make the grade, still undecided on Peltier.

Don't forget, even in the current senior squad we have Agger, Paletta, Alonso, Sissoko, Riise, Gonzales, Pennant, Kuyt, Carson, Reina, Warnock & Crouch (might've forgotten some) who all have at least another 5 years in them, so where's the urgent need for youth breaking through?

We've got the youngsters there, we're just not reliant on them, which in my book is a good thing.

the point im trying to make is Liverpool havent got a youngster that they have bought ie teenager that has burst onto the stage and broken into the 1st team, arsenal has has managed this ok maybe not so much manchester cos they spent millions to get the likes of ronaldo and rooney alike,

but the question is why havent liverpool done this? are they afraid of spending 1 or 2 mil and take a gamble? or is it the scouting staff failing to spot a promising talent at a young age?.

ok liverpool has bought some youngsters and they are supposed to be promising if that is the case why cant Rafa show them some 1st team games?

[Mannyk]

Vidic?!? Unknown, ok yes mate!

Vidic came to Anfield for a chat with Rafa and Rafa decided he did not like his attitude. He cost a similar amount to Agger who is at the very least his equal - Vidic FFS!

  Man Utd and Arsenal have bought duds as well, just like us  and we like them have brought in quality players with small reputations. Utd brought in players like Bellion, Miller, Howard, Forlan, Cyruff and many more. Did they make it?!?

What about our own signings in Berger, Finnan, Hypia, Henchoz, Riise? All players with small reps who played many games for the club.

IT SEEMS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WINNING WE ARE NOT FLAVOUR OF THE MONTH - its fucking disgraceful.

I think Vidic is over rated.