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[JBG]

To quote the great man himself "Get a clue kid!"

[115-1073096938]

the fact that he's our best player not good enough?
the fact Biscan not as proven not good enough?
the fact its not the time for mind games over ability not good enough?
the fact he's our captain not good enough?

Our best player? When he feels like... 3 our of every 10 games.
Mind games are exactly what the Leverkusen manager is playing.
And the fact he's our captain doesn't mean he has an automatic right to start.

He's a liability at times and needs a serious change in attitude.

[jim_morrison_supported_liverpool]

the fact that he's our best player not good enough?
the fact Biscan not as proven not good enough?
the fact its not the time for mind games over ability not good enough?
the fact he's our captain not good enough?

Our best player? When he feels like... 3 our of every 10 games.
Mind games are exactly what the Leverkusen manager is playing.
And the fact he's our captain doesn't mean he has an automatic right to start.

He's a liability at times and needs a serious change in attitude.

wake up and smell the coffee Stu.
he's been amazing all of last season and most of this one. he has a few AVERAGE  no not bad but AVERAGE games and all of a sudden he's not our best player. ok who's best player. aside from carragher, no-one else has done enough to earn an automatic place, and even if they have, they're not as good as Gerrard.

you're making more of a fool of yourself by persisting with this argument, digging more and more holes for yourself. just accept the fact that sometimes you are wrong, and definitely so in this case.

so what if they are playing mind games? that doesnt mean they're not gonna play the best players they have available.
its like Wenger leavin Henry out. yes, everyone would be puzzled as f*ck as to why he's been left out, but as a result, Arsenal will have less of a chance of winning the game.

would you leave Henry out? he hasnt been exactly scintillating of late.

[woof woof !]

Interesting the way you're all quick to have a go but no-one can come up with a valid arguement as to why he should play.

No ones really having a go at you Stu , we're just disagreeing with you .

You've always fought you're corner to the last and have gained an albeit grudging respect from many members but in this instance I can't for the life of me see how you can validate your position on this issue .
You've always shown an above average knowledge of the game ,in this instance however I can't help but feel this "let's sh'it on Gerrard attitude " is more to do with your opinion of him as a person rather than as a footballer.

As for presenting you with" a valid argument as to why he should play " how about despite the fact he only turns it on 30% of the time (according to your stats) he's still our best midfielder . The fact that you ask us to validate Gerrards worth tells me that you are not viewing this issue objectively .
Walk On .

[JC_81]

Gerrard will start and I'd put my house on it.

I think that without Gerrard the whole team took more responsibility against Leverkusen the other night, which was good to see.

However that was just one game and we are generally much better with him in the side.

Rafa will play Baros as a lone striker in germany, with gerrard supporting him in front of didi and igor.

[A.B.]

There is no need to bench Gerrard despite his poor form as when Garcia plays poorely Benitez doesn't bench him, he gives him chances to prove himself. However I am frustrated with the Gerrard saga as in important games he didn't play well and his comments rescently haven't made things any better.

The thing that I am worried about is that if we use the 4-5-1 formation with Hamann,Biscan and Gerrard it may not workout. It didn't work out against Birmingham and it seems that Gerrard and Biscan don't play well along side one another.

If Gerrard is going to leave which seems possible then benching him would only cause more drama in this saga.

[JC_81]

Playing 4-5-1 away in europe is different to playing it in the premiership against Birmingham.

I don't agree with the 4-5-1 against lesser premiership sides, but we don't want an open game in Germany and we don't have many options up front anyway so I'd play gerrard, hamann and biscan.

I don't think the germans have enough flair to expose us much with 5 across the middle.  Cut off the supply to Berbatov and we're sorted.

[Fingers]

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If Gerrard is going to leave which seems possible then benching him would only cause more drama in this saga.


Good shout, the press would be all over it like flies around Gary Neville.. er i mean poo.

rumours of bust ups (that like most other SG Rumours, are complete Sh!te) would be rife,

i say play him Hamann AND Igor, pack the midfield, how would igor feel being dropped after his performance away???

[A.B.]

Playing 4-5-1 away in europe is different to playing it in the premiership against Birmingham.

I don't agree with the 4-5-1 against lesser premiership sides, but we don't want an open game in Germany and we don't have many options up front anyway so I'd play gerrard, hamann and biscan.

I don't think the germans have enough flair to expose us much with 5 across the middle.  Cut off the supply to Berbatov and we're sorted.

Let's not underestimate them as they have beaten Real Madrid,Dinaomo Kiev at home by two or more goals.

[Santa]

Jerzy have given them a lifeline and I fully expect the Germans to throw their kitchen sink at us. So long as we can nick a goal or stayed on level term after 45mins, we will be OK.

Ther Germans have a perfect record at home during the group stage. But so long as the players stayed committed and played to our ability, we can get a result. The 4-2 loss three years ago thou is a grim reminder of what will happened if we employ the wrong tactics.

5 across midfield remains the safest option. Stop them from pushing forward right at the middle of the park.

[LFC #1]

another 4-2 would put us through though, so we are in a better position than last time.

[Dalglish]

Hi Stu, I appreciate the reasoning and your comments but I'll put my house on Gerard startuing against Bayer.

Leaving him out for this game (or on the bench ) is NOT the game to show him whose Boss at LFC and a sure way of sealing his transfer come the summer.

Like yourself I believe too many players relax too much when Stevie plays and don't seem to want to take responsibility but thats hardly Gerrrards fault

[Santa]

I think Gerrard will definately start. God knows what will happen if we bench Gerrard and we got knock out (touch wood!) ...

[Ciggy]

Think alot of people are fearing the worse of him not being around next season and want proof of how we will play without him.
He shouldnt be dropped but he should pull his weight like the rest of the team.
And he should stop talking to the press cause mostly what he says is turned out of context and just riles the fans more.
Important 3 months ahead of us now, we need the team to be a unit and no one upsetting the applecart.
Rafa has asked him about his comments before the game, and asked him why we wont win it.
Rafa seems possitive so we need everyone to be possitive, we can win the CC on sunday and we can win the CL if everyone puts in enough hard work and determination.
Walk on.

[115-1073096938]

ABSOLOUTELY ****** RUBBISH!!

I'd sell him tomorrow!!

Overated big headed, attitude problemed ****** who's been made out to be something he's not!!

One man team my ******!!

Alonso's 10 tmies the player.