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[tubby]

We've had this problem for years.  I thinks its just a lack of professionalism at the club.  Or maybe we just need a to do a clearout, get better players in.  Who know?

Yep major clear out needed dude, we need to rebuild from scratch, start fresh again.

If I was the owners, I'd do that, tell the best players the plan, tell them to be patient and help in the rebuilding process.

Plus, we need a better manager to help too.

I highly doubt we will undergo such a rebuild job even across 2 transfer windows. With the FIFA fairplay rules coming into force in the summer we would have to spend probably around 150mil+ in the Jan window as in the summer we could only spend what we make.

That's why we need a manager who can play with a squad who presses rather than try to mould them into a teamthat sits back.

[Emerald Red]

Konchesky & Skyrtel big name players?

I beg to differ.

Torres is not a target man but is being employed as one, the manager has one method one way of playing and he wont be changing it any time soon, its so great infact the record speaks for itself 1 win in the last 27 games away from home, 13 wins in 107 games away from home.

Torres is not a target man? ??

lol well what is he then, he sure was when he was knocking the goals in for us the other year lol

yes i think Skyrtel big name......in our team anyway.

Lakes, I think you need to brush up on your football terminology. A target man is someone who you hit long passes to who can collect the ball deep, hold it up and bring the midfield or forwards into play. Target men are usualy tall players like Crouch, Lloriente, Carew, Heskey etc etc.

As for your OP, I think Igor nailed it before I did.

[Emerald Red]

Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing because he is . He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres... 

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

Was he not injured?

[dawson99]

Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing because he is . He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres... 

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

Was he not injured?

since january?

[metalhead]

I highly doubt we will undergo such a rebuild job even across 2 transfer windows. With the FIFA fairplay rules coming into force in the summer we would have to spend probably around 150mil+ in the Jan window as in the summer we could only spend what we make.

That's why we need a manager who can play with a squad who presses rather than try to mould them into a teamthat sits back.

With the squad we currently have? not a chance, we aren't good enough, we have a very average back line, no quality wingers and only one good striker. Roy or not, we won't do any better. Tottenham and Man City are way better than us in terms of squad depth and players.

We need to spend money in terms of the FIFA rule.

[fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t]

Because they like the majority of our support can see the manager is clueless and is way out of his depth .THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY THIS SH!T FOOTBALL ANYMORE and who can blame them .

sorry mate that dont wash, Torres and been playing football for almost a year now, he will be lucky to make in into the spain team.

team try to push up and he gives the ball away and we get pushed back.

its and easy out to blame the manager, yes he is not the best but at the end of the day our players are playing football.

its not much to ask of a player to pass a ball to there team mates feet is it?

It's dead easy lakes . Who sets up the team ? Who decides the teams tacticts ? Who makes the call on subs ? Who has been in charge for long enough now to be able to set up a team to win a f.uckin away game ? Is the answer to any of these questions the players ? No thought not .

This is the last time i;m going to say this . The last manager we are told lost the dressing room , so he was sacked . What the f.uck do you call that what we saw yesterday , because them players are most certainly not playing for the current manager . He hasn't staedied the ship ,he hasn't brought a fresh approach , it's him and always was him because the players can see that he is mediocre manager. The players can se his 35year record just aswell as us and basically they are demorilised by his whole tenure


F.O.R

You make a good point. But can you say that Pardew is a better manager because his team won 3-1? Are newcastle better than us because they beat us?
I will GUARANTEE that we will finish above them come may. Absolutely. This over-reaction is very silly and people should try and see the positives instead of constantly telling us how negative things are.
I am not happy with the result but the performance was good in parts and we certainly werent battered by them
And by the way, I bet this is not the last time you say it...

what is with the over reaction? we have a team that will struggle to get into the top 6.
judge them next year when we have had someone responsible buying players, and no it's not Roy.

[dawson99]

we havent had anyone responcible buying players for about 5 years now, why change the trend

[Igor Zidane]

Because they like the majority of our support can see the manager is clueless and is way out of his depth .THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY THIS SH!T FOOTBALL ANYMORE and who can blame them .

This is one of the worst posts I have ever read on here. I'm really hoping someone hacked into Igors account, because surely hes not THAT clueless.

Is this realyl the state of the forum now? anytime a player has a bad game it is because they dont want to play for Roy... FFS people grow up

Guilty as charged mate i'm afraid . How else would you like to explain the reason's we are seeing such dire footy away from home ? Do you think that it is possibly because the players see that the managers tacticts do not work and are therefore fecking fed up with the whole sherbang ? Tell me why has he such a bad away record as a permier league manager ? Do you think that he's just unlucky or maybe it's just a coincedence that he can't get his teams to win away from home ? Do you think there's abit of a theme going on here ? No mate i'm suggesting (and the stats back me up ) that our manager does not no how or is incapable of setting up a team to win away from home . The players no this and it shows in there performances IMO

[killerp]

Its simple, we depend on Torres & Gerrard. Torres right now looks like he either doesn't care or has lost his confidence. Gerrard as any player his age is on the downward curve for his reliability physically & cannot be captain fantastic for every game.

I wouldn't put rodríguez ,skrtel or konchesky in the "big name player" category. They are more like low-medium name players. When faced with quality opposition these players show their true quality, which is not up to scratch.

You expect too much from average players.

[metalhead]

our manager does not no how or is incapable of setting up a team to win away from home . The players no this and it shows in there performances IMO

Very very true Igor, he doesn't set it up right away from him and its showing. He has to improve it, but I'm starting to doubt it

[maypaxvobiscum]

I think you would have to be blind not to notice how poor Nandos attitude has been for a while now.
I for one would have thought more of the manager had he dragged him off yesterday for Babel.
He could have even put Kuyt up front and switched Maxi over with Babel
Nando is more likely to miss a sitter these days than tuck it away, hes become lazy and sulks a lot of the time.
So who gives a fk if he gets the hump?

i dont. neither do you. but havent you heard, some posters would rather have "nando on a wheelchair over babel", no matter how badly the former has been playing. 

its rather predictable what their response is gonna be:

1) why take Torres off? it will affect his confidence. poor management by Roy.

2) why take Torres off when he can make something out of nothing? bad tactical sub by Roy.

3) Torres is off, we're looking for a draw. sack Roy! 

[mart]

i dont. neither do you. but havent you heard, some posters would rather have "nando on a wheelchair over babel", no matter how badly the former has been playing. 

Because Babel has been for years and have already scored his goal this season so he cant be bothered to try anymore.

[TarnRed]

Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing because he is . He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres... 

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

Didn't he have a string of injuries after Jan at which point he had an op? Your point?

He certainly did mate, he missed 19 games, started 9 games and bagged 6 goals in the process.

[lakes10]

Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing because he is . He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres... 

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

Didn't he have a string of injuries after Jan at which point he had an op? Your point?

He certainly did mate, he missed 19 games, started 9 games and bagged 6 goals in the process.

so my point that he has not been in form for almost a year still stands then.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......