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[bigmick]

WE do probably need a second striker who has genuine top quality to play alongside Torres, but Berbatov probably wouldn't be the one for me. Assuming rafa can be persuaded to play with two genuine front men (and I think that's by no means a certainty TBPH), I would rather have Robbie Keane as Ithink he offers a bit more graft allied to the craft (I quite like that  ).

If however we are going to continue with a workhorse second striker, we might be well advised to not necessarily discount Kuyt out of hand. When alongside Torres he doesn't look quite so bad, and unquestionably he is much better than we are currently seeing anyway. I personally would go for playing two genuine strikers who offer goal threat, but if it's a workhorse you want then Kuyt still might just be the answer.

[account deleted by request]

Before we signed Kuyt I didn't rate him very highly from what I had seen. After his superb debut against West Ham, I immediately changed my mind and thought we had a real bargain on our hands. For the rest of the season I was torn between admiring his work ethic and despair at his lack of goal threat and poor control. Now I am slowly coming to the realisation that a high work rate is all that he really offers. I hope he proves me completely wrong, but I HAVE GIVEN UP HOPE of seeing Kuyt becoming the player we all hoped he would.

I think there is much better out there for £10million and I would have no hesitation in selling him and getting one of them.

[NANNY RED]

I switched the question round and asked my other half who is is spurs fan who would he prefer .
He chose Kuyt.
Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again. When did we stop appreiciating any one who grafts for our team.

Berbatov any player who refuses to go on the pitch when the manager calls him does not deserve to wear any kind of football shirt (even a sunday league shirt) could you imagine that happening at Anfield. Kuyts been dropped and Rafa calls him to go on and refuses, Yeh right hed be out the door the next day

[66-1112520797]

Neither thanks.

[66-1112520797]

Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again

Sorry Nanny this made me chuckle, "lean spell" "come good again" ?

If you consider his lean spell since Feyenord then yes I'll agree, if you consider him to "come good again" since Feyenord. Then yes I'll agree, but if not I'd simply say your having a bubble.

[NANNY RED]

Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again

Sorry Nanny this made me chuckle, "lean spell" "come good again" ?

If you consider his lean spell since Feyenord then yes I'll agree, if you consider him to "come good again" since Feyenord. Then yes I'll agree, but if not I'd simply say your having a bubble.

Maybe i was maybe i wasnt Surely i can dream

But weve gotta have some hope for Kuyt after all who am i to question Rafa and Marco Van Basten.

[66-1112520797]

Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again

Sorry Nanny this made me chuckle, "lean spell" "come good again" ?

If you consider his lean spell since Feyenord then yes I'll agree, if you consider him to "come good again" since Feyenord. Then yes I'll agree, but if not I'd simply say your having a bubble.

Maybe i was maybe i wasnt Surely i can dream

But weve gotta have some hope for Kuyt after all who am i to question Rafa and Marco Van Basten.

Nanny, are you really a Nanny (like an old one) ?

[NANNY RED]

Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again

Sorry Nanny this made me chuckle, "lean spell" "come good again" ?

If you consider his lean spell since Feyenord then yes I'll agree, if you consider him to "come good again" since Feyenord. Then yes I'll agree, but if not I'd simply say your having a bubble.

Maybe i was maybe i wasnt Surely i can dream

But weve gotta have some hope for Kuyt after all who am i to question Rafa and Marco Van Basten.

Nanny, are you really a Nanny (like an old one) ?

LOL im a nanny yes but not a old nanny nanny 

[66-1112520797]

Kuyt is going though a lean spell in front of goal but it will come good again

Sorry Nanny this made me chuckle, "lean spell" "come good again" ?

If you consider his lean spell since Feyenord then yes I'll agree, if you consider him to "come good again" since Feyenord. Then yes I'll agree, but if not I'd simply say your having a bubble.

Maybe i was maybe i wasnt Surely i can dream

But weve gotta have some hope for Kuyt after all who am i to question Rafa and Marco Van Basten.

Nanny, are you really a Nanny (like an old one) ?

LOL im a nanny yes but not a old nanny nanny 

What like a nanny who looks after kids, or a proper nanny ?



BTW How old are you Nanny ?
(if you dont mind my asking)

[Ace Ventura]

And the fact that Kuyt also played in the League cup but never scored, and played in almost if not every European cup match up to and including the final, but only scored one goal somehow makes him better? 

I know you are joking after the smiley you put at the end, but just to point out Kuyt never played in the league cup and in europe the difference in quality between the uefa cup and the champions league is massive.
I do agree that he should be scoring more goals...but Berabatov wouldnt add more imo.

I was joking mate, but Kuyt played against both Reading and Birmingham in the League cup Ace.

Really ?
I thought it was Fowler and Crouch against Reading. Being honest i forgot all about the Birmingham game 

[burjennio]

So its Berbatov


Versus Kuyt


Lets ask the ladies

[account deleted by request]

And the fact that Kuyt also played in the League cup but never scored, and played in almost if not every European cup match up to and including the final, but only scored one goal somehow makes him better? 

I know you are joking after the smiley you put at the end, but just to point out Kuyt never played in the league cup and in europe the difference in quality between the uefa cup and the champions league is massive.
I do agree that he should be scoring more goals...but Berabatov wouldnt add more imo.

I was joking mate, but Kuyt played against both Reading and Birmingham in the League cup Ace.

Really ?
I thought it was Fowler and Crouch against Reading. Being honest i forgot all about the Birmingham game 

Only came on as a sub in both mate but I thought I would include them as it strengthened my argument 

[Ace Ventura]

And the fact that Kuyt also played in the League cup but never scored, and played in almost if not every European cup match up to and including the final, but only scored one goal somehow makes him better? 

I know you are joking after the smiley you put at the end, but just to point out Kuyt never played in the league cup and in europe the difference in quality between the uefa cup and the champions league is massive.
I do agree that he should be scoring more goals...but Berabatov wouldnt add more imo.

I was joking mate, but Kuyt played against both Reading and Birmingham in the League cup Ace.

Really ?
I thought it was Fowler and Crouch against Reading. Being honest i forgot all about the Birmingham game 

Only came on as a sub in both mate but I thought I would include them as it strengthened my argument 

Cheat 

[Scottbot]

Let's just dispell the biggest myth there is about Kuyt, this idea that he is permanently playing 'under Rafa's instructions' to play deep and that he doesn't get in the box because he is doing a job for the team. As far as i'm concerned Kuyt is, for the most part, playing his natural game. There were a lot posters claiming that this would be the year for Kuyt back in the summer, that Rafa would take the shackles off and let him play his natural game. If you asked a centre-mid to play on the wing you can guarantee at times during the game he will drift back towards the middle of the pitch (where he is used to playing) and if you asked a right-footed winger to play left-winger and told him to hug that touchline, once again, you can gurantee the player will drift inside. The point is, either Kuyt is exceptionally disciplined at following orders OR we would have seen a bit more of his natural game shining through e.g. some of those intagibles common to all the top strikers, playing on the shoulder, getting into one on one situations, attacking the ball in the box etc If Rafa said to Kuyt go out and play anyway you want, do you think we would see anything different?

But we haven't seen it. Kuyt certainly has his qualities, he's quite strong, he rarely gives the ball away, he does a good job working the channels, he does have a decent long range shot on him and obviously he has an extraordinary engine and work-rate (as big an engine as Sissoko). His work-rate is a funny one, he often gets praised and lambasted for this one in the same sentence. Rafa's teams are ALWAYS at their best when they press hard and high up the pitch (something we've not been doing so well recently) so it is worth noting that Kuyt (along with Sissoko) does in many ways set the pace for our pressing game. However, it's clear we need more from our 2nd forward, there aren't many goals in this side at the moment and we are completely reliant on Torres and Gerrard to put the ball in the net.

Would we be a better side with Berbatov in ahead of Kuyt? Of course we would, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves in my opinion, and basing that on the fact that Kuyt is a VERY likeable guy and Berbatov is gettting some bad press at the moment. Not that i'd go for him though, Anelka is the one that got away and is still for me, even at 12-13 million, the player we should be lining up to partner Torres up-front.

[Bad Bob]

Let's just dispell the biggest myth there is about Kuyt, this idea that he is permanently playing 'under Rafa's instructions' to play deep and that he doesn't get in the box because he is doing a job for the team. As far as i'm concerned Kuyt is, for the most part, playing his natural game. There were a lot posters claiming that this would be the year for Kuyt back in the summer, that Rafa would take the shackles off and let him play his natural game. If you asked a centre-mid to play on the wing you can guarantee at times during the game he will drift back towards the middle of the pitch (where he is used to playing) and if you asked a right-footed winger to play left-winger and told him to hug that touchline, once again, you can gurantee the player will drift inside. The point is, either Kuyt is exceptionally disciplined at following orders OR we would have seen a bit more of his natural game shining through e.g. some of those intagibles common to all the top strikers, playing on the shoulder, getting into one on one situations, attacking the ball in the box etc If Rafa said to Kuyt go out and play anyway you want, do you think we would see anything different?

But we haven't seen it. Kuyt certainly has his qualities, he's quite strong, he rarely gives the ball away, he does a good job working the channels, he does have a decent long range shot on him and obviously he has an extraordinary engine and work-rate (as big an engine as Sissoko). His work-rate is a funny one, he often gets praised and lambasted for this one in the same sentence. Rafa's teams are ALWAYS at their best when they press hard and high up the pitch (something we've not been doing so well recently) so it is worth noting that Kuyt (along with Sissoko) does in many ways set the pace for our pressing game. However, it's clear we need more from our 2nd forward, there aren't many goals in this side at the moment and we are completely reliant on Torres and Gerrard to put the ball in the net.

Would we be a better side with Berbatov in ahead of Kuyt? Of course we would, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves in my opinion, and basing that on the fact that Kuyt is a VERY likeable guy and Berbatov is gettting some bad press at the moment. Not that i'd go for him though, Anelka is the one that got away and is still for me, even at 12-13 million, the player we should be lining up to partner Torres up-front.

Good post, Scott. Completely agree that we are seeing Kuyt's natural game, more or less, and that's it not quite up to Liverpool standards.  It's a pity, as he's a nice lad, but acting on sentiment will kill you at this level.