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[simolonge]

As well all know most of the money for new players will come from the sale of our old players.

Of course, as we all sit in on the board meetings.

ANDRIY VORONIN  Loan deal to end, 5mil

Great idea, loan him out then expect a pyment once his contract has expired - Genius.

Dossena from 8mil

thats got to be a sum, the answer being £6.5m (ie Dossena will fetch £1.5m maximum)

Babel you have got to be looking from a starting price of 10 mil

Jebus - we paid £11.5m for the potential, its proven not to be there, and you want £10m for him ? Your Mentally Disturbed my friend.

Lucas Leiva, well i hear they like him in Spain, they can have him, 8mil

Who from, who in Spain have you spoken to who has told you this ? Where they football managers or Directors ?

For the record, Lucas will be a great player next season - mark my words.

Daniel Agger , we could get a lot for him if he is fit, starting price

We have just lost Sami, and you propose we sell another one for half what he is worth ? Absolute nutter.

[tubby]

I think selling Babel could be a mistake, he isn't 23 yet and while he may not have set Anfield alight (unless he commited arson last night and I haven't heard!), but he is a useful on the bench as he can play wide or up front. So he is a '2 in 1' player, and while not great in either role, he is still young and it isn't as if our bench is brimming with players who would do much better.

I'd sit on him, wait on and consider any bids that do come in on merit. The issue of losses is a funny one, we can have a player like Crouch for a few seasons and sell him at a £4m profit. But what about the value to the squad in those seasons? We surely must have made a loss on Cisse, but what about his contributions that were not fantastic, but he did make some? I hear Sunderland won't sign him despite him being their second top scorer and scoring something like 11 goals in 32 appearances which isn't bad for a club like them surviving the drop on the last day.

And if we ever sell Torres, would we rather sell sooner for say a £10m+ profit, or in a few years time at a loss? Would it be a loss? We've got 50 goals out of him in two seasons, I reckon that is worth £10m+ in its own right.

But the bottom line is we should buy the right players at the right price and not worry about losses on players. We can't sell a player for more than is offered, we can be a bit more careful before spending money on players like Babel, Keane and Dossena but what's done is done. For every £4m loss we might make on a Dossena we will make £4m on a Crouch - not including services provided. I guess one flaw in discussions between fans over transfers and profit/loss is we think of a player as a possession more than them as a servant/service - in a way they are both. We pay say £20m for someone's services, they can run their contract down and go elsewhere for nothing, or someone else comes in and offers more or less than £20m to terminate the contract and take their services elsewhere. You could argue Bosman changed player transfers from an ownership to a contracted service.

He has done nothing at all this season to mert staying in the squad. Right now he is just an empty kit whose value has depreciated. The fact that we talk about getting 10 - 11 Mil for him (less than what Rafa paid) shows how bad he has gotten. That money can go towards Silva who can play the same positions.

[heimdall]

Babel is , just let him go even if its on a free transfer.
He simply doesn't have toughness to play in the premiership plus his tricks are very 1 dimensional and he's ridiculously one-footed. I was pushing for him to get a start earlier  in the season but the more I've seen of him lately the more I think he is complete garbage. Hopefully there is some idiot manager out there who is willing to give us some dosh for him.

[simolonge]

Babel is , just let him go even if its on a free transfer.
He simply doesn't have toughness to play in the premiership plus his tricks are very 1 dimensional and he's ridiculously one-footed. I was pushing for him to get a start earlier  in the season but the more I've seen of him lately the more I think he is complete garbage. Hopefully there is some idiot manager out there who is willing to give us some dosh for him.

The irony in that post is beautiful.

[Owzat]

I think offloading Babel could depreciate his value more than he already has through his performances. We might only get £5m or £6m for him and he hasn't exactly been given loads of opportunities in the starting XI to prove himself. If you sell Babel, you need to fill his 'empty kit' and frankly unless we got £7m+ for him I think it would be a mistake. He's had a poor season, but he's still only 22. Give him one more season then look to sell, otherwise we're just asking clubs to take him for next to nothing and we might as well keep him. It's not as if he's any less use than Degen, Diego, Itandje, Plessis and others. BUT Babel could increase his value, I really can't see those four doing the same. Would you sell your house when it was at its lowest value or would you stay put and wait until the value rises? As I say, it would depend on offers but we make it clear we want rid and how many are going to offer top dollar?!?!

[simolonge]

I think offloading Babel could depreciate his value more than he already has through his performances. We might only get £5m or £6m for him and he hasn't exactly been given loads of opportunities in the starting XI to prove himself. If you sell Babel, you need to fill his 'empty kit' and frankly unless we got £7m+ for him I think it would be a mistake. He's had a poor season, but he's still only 22. Give him one more season then look to sell, otherwise we're just asking clubs to take him for next to nothing and we might as well keep him. It's not as if he's any less use than Degen, Diego, Itandje, Plessis and others. BUT Babel could increase his value, I really can't see those four doing the same. Would you sell your house when it was at its lowest value or would you stay put and wait until the value rises? As I say, it would depend on offers but we make it clear we want rid and how many are going to offer top dollar?!?!

Thats a good point - and it has made me think twice if I am honest.

Sell him if its more than £9m - otehrwise keep hold until next summer in hte hope he will improve.

[heimdall]

Babel is , just let him go even if its on a free transfer.
He simply doesn't have toughness to play in the premiership plus his tricks are very 1 dimensional and he's ridiculously one-footed. I was pushing for him to get a start earlier  in the season but the more I've seen of him lately the more I think he is complete garbage. Hopefully there is some idiot manager out there who is willing to give us some dosh for him.

The irony in that post is beautiful.

In terms of me supporting him earlier in the season you mean? In any case it's not irony but i will always put my hand up and admit fault and I was very very wrong about Babel.   

[heimdall]

I think offloading Babel could depreciate his value more than he already has through his performances. We might only get £5m or £6m for him and he hasn't exactly been given loads of opportunities in the starting XI to prove himself. If you sell Babel, you need to fill his 'empty kit' and frankly unless we got £7m+ for him I think it would be a mistake. He's had a poor season, but he's still only 22. Give him one more season then look to sell, otherwise we're just asking clubs to take him for next to nothing and we might as well keep him. It's not as if he's any less use than Degen, Diego, Itandje, Plessis and others. BUT Babel could increase his value, I really can't see those four doing the same. Would you sell your house when it was at its lowest value or would you stay put and wait until the value rises? As I say, it would depend on offers but we make it clear we want rid and how many are going to offer top dollar?!?!

So you'd play a player just to try and increase his value for next transfer period! 

This was the season that Babel had to prove himself and he failed, ship him out, must be some youngsters who had show a bit more passion and commitment than him plus maybe they can use both their feet. 

[simolonge]

This has become a Ryan Babel thread a little bit of late - but none the less if tehe is anyone on here who can supply the figures for time on the pitch, goals etc that would certainly be interesting.

I feel that he may in fact be more frustrating to watch but still relatively effective.

[tubby]

I think offloading Babel could depreciate his value more than he already has through his performances. We might only get £5m or £6m for him and he hasn't exactly been given loads of opportunities in the starting XI to prove himself. If you sell Babel, you need to fill his 'empty kit' and frankly unless we got £7m+ for him I think it would be a mistake. He's had a poor season, but he's still only 22. Give him one more season then look to sell, otherwise we're just asking clubs to take him for next to nothing and we might as well keep him. It's not as if he's any less use than Degen, Diego, Itandje, Plessis and others. BUT Babel could increase his value, I really can't see those four doing the same. Would you sell your house when it was at its lowest value or would you stay put and wait until the value rises? As I say, it would depend on offers but we make it clear we want rid and how many are going to offer top dollar?!?!

So you'd play a player just to try and increase his value for next transfer period! 

This was the season that Babel had to prove himself and he failed, ship him out, must be some youngsters who had show a bit more passion and commitment than him plus maybe they can use both their feet. 

Spot on. If he has any ambition in him he will demand a move away as the way he is playing now he is not going to suddenly become a first team choice.

Of course if we were not in a position where we had to sell before buy then id say maybe give him a final year but not after this year. Not when we are so close. We need to spend everything we can on bringing in proven quality to make sure we do not make the same mistakes as we did this year.

What we don't do is hang onto a player who has been all season just becasue he is still young or just becasue it may raise his value. What if he gets worse next season his value would drop even more then. He lacks basic skills such as awareness when running with the ball or passing ect... Sissoko didn't learn to pass so I don't see why people think Babel is going to somehow become a world beater. And this notion he has 'world class ability' is rubbish either. So he can run at players and is ok on the turn. Yossi has more natural ability than Babel will ever have and I wouldn't even say Yossi is world class so some people need to pull their heads out of their and open their eyes.

[SupitsJonF]

Sell Gerrard!!! 

[heimdall]

Sell Gerrard!!! 

That has to be a take surely, half his team are spanish but he is going to them and all the supporters off by supporting the mancs. Nope don't believe it.

[Bosko-Macedonia]

Sell Gerrard!!! 

I don't think so....  

[bigmick]

First time he doesn't score an equaliser in the dying seconds next season, or doesn't display the right "body language" he'll not only get "Stevie me" he'll get "fecking Manc lover" as well now. Such is life.

[simolonge]

First time he doesn't score an equaliser in the dying seconds next season, or doesn't display the right "body language" he'll not only get "Stevie me" he'll get "fecking Manc lover" as well now. Such is life.

Some people on here might suggest there was a certain fickle element to the football fan.....