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someone else who you've all overlooked...   now you'll all scoff when i say this but i reckon Paul Jewell could do a good job at the helm of our club.

I raised paul jewell as a replacement last year lee, he would be a good option but i feel jose is the man

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The guy has not really proven himself as a manager who would be able to take a top 4 club - has done ok with smaller clubs but has also not done so well with smaller clubs .

so on one hand you slate jose for not having done anything at a smaller club and now slate jewell for having done something at a smaller club.

lets just cut out all the bollox here mate, you just state once and for all your criteria for a liverpool manager, that will save you having to go back and forth and trying to remember what you have said previously, then we can always refer you to your criteria 

we already know that you think rafa is the best option, god knows why, but lets just imagine he didnt exist (we can all dream), name no names in this, just give the credentials you think are the requirement for liverpool manager

this should be interesting

[desmdlow]

no much choice of a new manager, most are unproven and those that are are tied to big clubs. Except maybe Big Phil... even him are doubtful..

I think Rafa need to be reminded that he is in Liverpool.. Sometimes his actions/decisions are really attracting uneccesary attention and comments. Even i really like him as our manager i have to reteirate this fact. He really seems like honey that attracts uneccessary bees(media). Isn't let football do the talking our liverpool way? unlike some Mr Fer**son... Sad...

[bigmick]

The guy has not really proven himself as a manager who would be able to take a top 4 club - has done ok with smaller clubs but has also not done so well with smaller clubs .

so on one hand you slate jose for not having done anything at a smaller club and now slate jewell for having done something at a smaller club.

lets just cut out all the bollox here mate, you just state once and for all your criteria for a liverpool manager, that will save you having to go back and forth and trying to remember what you have said previously, then we can always refer you to your criteria 

we already know that you think rafa is the best option, god knows why, but lets just imagine he didnt exist (we can all dream), name no names in this, just give the credentials you think are the requirement for liverpool manager

this should be interesting

It's a fair question, but I don't think you'll get a ground breaking answer to be honest.

[Bam]

"Who should we get if Rafa leaves ?"

I made the call of Guus Hiddink a while back, now Chelsea have snapped him up.

We'll see how he fairs down there with the Scafolders.

[Bam]

Good question Pee.

Some of the Criteria needed IMO are obviously the traits Rafa lacks. Personally I'd say his character of being quite stubborn is something we could do with out. Seemingly proving points, it maybe wide of the mark to say that, but the Keane drama, the Crouch saga and a few other things IMO needed to be put aside. So a manager without a stubborn side would be a good start.

Maybe a manager who again 'seemingly' has better man-managment skills, rather than the modern day cold shoulder take. I think a good man-manager i.e " arm around the shoulder type' will generally get more out of your players. Of course there are the exceptions, but look at Mourinho and the O'neils of the world and their players would run through brick walls for them.

Then there comes signings and squad players, the focus must be on quality and not options. The door is constantly revolving at Anfield with Rafa's signings of hit n misses. Its not easy to get the right player in all the time I understand that, but ontop of that we have too many grafters and not enough guile in the squad.

Rotation, Rafa has slightly cooled on that, but a manager who knows his best eleven and can stick with that for the majority of the season.

A manager who doesnt make perplexing substitutions.

There are more Im sure but I must dash.

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good points bam, although stubbornness is only a bad trait when you persist with something that doesn't work, it's ok to be stubborn when everything works and then you can resist change. rafas persistence in try to fit square pegs into round holes is his undoing, its obvious where the faults lie but its as though he feels it will come good at some point, also good point about the revolving door at anfield and i also think he sees the players as commodities, nothing wrong with praise when it's due, i am sure the last thing a player wants is to pulled about something that happened in the first minute while leaving the pitch after 90 minutes after a victory. there is also the mentality now driven into the players that it doesn't matter how well they perform, they could still be warming the bench for the next few games while a few weaker players perform their headless chicken act. this brings me to weakening the starting line up when we player the lower teams, its like having a fight with someone smaller than you and agreeing that you will only use one arm and no kicks to give them a chance.

players are people and like i said and you have said jose and MON have their players prepared, they have the respect of the players. just a point when we beat chelsea in the semi jose stayed on the pitch and shook hands with all our players, did rafa do the same when chelsea beat us in the semi last season (i really dont know the answer to this), not bad for someone with supposedly no class

[bigmick]

Talking of man management, I watched an interview with O'Neill after their last match when they won at Blackburn. It was their seventh Away win on the bounce, which is an excellent achievement for anyone, never mind Aston Villa. It is a club record infact, throughout their history. This even includes periods when they played in the lower divisions. When it was put to O'Neill that he must be proud of that achievement, he instantly said how "fantastically well" the players had done.

He said how unbelieveably proud he was of the players. He said "they" are really playing well and starting to believe in "themselves". He was "immensly proud of them" a number of times. This was a man who IMHO was minimising any credit coming in his direction, and shining it through a magnifying glass onto his players. I've seen him in the past when his team has played badly claim the blame for himself, "it was my fault, I got the team and the set-up totally wrong". 

In the same interview he was asked about Gareth Barry who is coming towards the final year of his contract. I'm paraphrasing what he said, but it was essentially this, "the club owes a debt of gratitude to Gareth. He gave us another year when he could have left, in order that we could try and take the club forward. He didn't try and get himself a move in the transfer window, he said he was going to give us a year and he has been true to his word. In the Summer, if Gareth wants to leave I don't think there is a single person at the club who should begrudge him that option".

It's been said before that players will run through brick walls for him. I don't wonder why.

[Judge]

can someone change the spelling in the thread title, obviously he cant spell

shoudl ??

[bigmick]

Funnily enough, since we're talking (or I am anyway) about man managers, one of the people who is included in the "others" column is a good man manager by all accounts, but he doesn't do it the same way as O"Neill. He is more than happy to take the plaudits on a personal level. Still it seems to work for them teams he manages. I remember the captain of the club he managed over here remarking that they never felt under any pressure, even when they were setting the record points total for an English team in the blokes first season in the Premiership. Apparently, the manager simply siphoned off all the pressure for the players who loved it, so fair play to him. It just goes to show there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Interestingly, just like O'Neill who is ripping upmthe record books at  Aston Villa, this particular manager is going quite well in hbis new job too. In his first season in his new country, his first attempt and the top league over there, he is seven points clear at the top of the table. His record in the League so far is P23 W16 D5 L2, which isn't bad for a first go.

He seems to work with a one year plan, which is a new one.

[112-1077774096]

Funnily enough, since we're talking (or I am anyway) about man managers, one of the people who is included in the "others" column is a good man manager by all accounts, but he doesn't do it the same way as O"Neill. He is more than happy to take the plaudits on a personal level. Still it seems to work for them teams he manages. I remember the captain of the club he managed over here remarking that they never felt under any pressure, even when they were setting the record points total for an English team in the blokes first season in the Premiership. Apparently, the manager simply siphoned off all the pressure for the players who loved it, so fair play to him. It just goes to show there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Interestingly, just like O'Neill who is ripping upmthe record books at  Aston Villa, this particular manager is going quite well in hbis new job too. In his first season in his new country, his first attempt and the top league over there, he is seven points clear at the top of the table. His record in the League so far is P23 W16 D5 L2, which isn't bad for a first go.

He seems to work with a one year plan, which is a new one.

ffs mick    

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A ONE YEAR PLAN Mick? Surely not, ffs we all know it took Ferguson 7 years mate! First you have to adapt to playing in a different league, get used to the different systems and the different level of intensity. Then you have to gradually build up your squad, then you have to sell those players and bring in better players. Then you have to sell those and start improving the first team. then you have to cast aside a lot of the ideas that may have worked in your previous job in a different country but don't seem very successful in your present job.

ONE YEAR PLANS........ you would have to be very special to make that work mate.

[The_Rock]

......... just a point when we beat chelsea in the semi jose stayed on the pitch and shook hands with all our players, did rafa do the same when chelsea beat us in the semi last season (i really dont know the answer to this), not bad for someone with supposedly no class

Precisely....the dam hippies just wanna portray "the special one" as someone without class 

I remember another example of how after we had beaten them in the 2005 semi final, he said ...

"The linesman scored the goal. No-one knows if that shot went over the line and you must be 100%," said Mourinho.

"But they are in the final and from my heart I hope they win it. The night belongs to them and I don't want to criticise them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4505867.stm

Very gracious in defeat

Lets give him credit shall we ...... In the last 6 to 7 years, he has won trophies every season with all the clubs he has managed.....  Even in his worst season with chelsea....he won both the league and FA cup..... Its all not about money..

For me...the reason why i am a huge mourinho fan is that he stopped manure winning the league for 2 years....Lets face it, if he hadn't gone to chelsea...manure would have surpassed our 18 league titles....

Btw...did we really approach mourinho before benitez ?

Mourinho was first approached by Liverpool but, after Chelsea registered their interest, he made it clear he was "no longer available". That's when Liverpool turned to Benitez. This must have rankled the Spaniard to some degree. Mourinho's resume was certainly impressive, two league titles, a Portuguese Cup, a UEFA Cup and a Champions' League crown, all of them with Porto. But Benitez also had a UEFA Cup under his belt and he had also won two league titles. What's more, he won those titles at Valencia, competing against the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona.

[maypaxvobiscum]

you would have to be very special to make that work mate.

  a very special one indeed 

[bigmick]

A ONE YEAR PLAN Mick? Surely not, ffs we all know it took Ferguson 7 years mate! First you have to adapt to playing in a different league, get used to the different systems and the different level of intensity. Then you have to gradually build up your squad, then you have to sell those players and bring in better players. Then you have to sell those and start improving the first team. then you have to cast aside a lot of the ideas that may have worked in your previous job in a different country but don't seem very successful in your present job.

ONE YEAR PLANS........ you would have to be very special to make that work mate.

In fairness s@int, i think it is only reasonable to point out that obviously it takes a different approach in each country to be successful. For instance, Rafa signed Crouch at Liverpool (who was an excellent signing I might add) and I think it's unlikely he would have signed him at Valencia. The reason being Crouch wouldn't be as good a player in Spain as he was/is in England. I'm not saying Rafa was averse to having a target man, far from it, but Crouch wouldn't have been the man in Spain.

I think it's fair to conclude from that that Rafa had learnt a bit by the time he signed Crouch (after two seasons). He'd learnt that when you are under the cosh away from home in England, pretty much like anywhere else, you need an out ball. Unlike anywhere else though, if you feed it into your striker and he falls on his erse at the merest touch, it isn't a foul. All that happens then is the ball comes straight back, and you are back under the cosh again. This is the singular reason above all others which meant that Morientes was doomed to abject failure in England from very early on. In Spain of course he's a better bet than Crouch, simply because he's a better footballer.

So Rafa was learning all the time. By all accounts he arrived with the notion that Gerrard was expendable and he could rebuild the team around somebody else. It took him a while to get past that one, but experience is a great teacher and I've always said that Rafa is nobodies fool. Only one of those would even consider trying to get rid of Gerrard now.

He's also adapted in the rotationary department too. Some might say it took a while, others might say that it was only a temporary adaptation, but he is getting the hang of it I think it's fair to say. We are in year five of the five year plan, and if the plan was to get the hang of it all by year five we are on course.

The one aspect of it all in which I'd like to see a bit more accelaration, a bit more seeing of the light, is the going for the wins. You generally find that those who hit the ground running in their new jobs and win the title very early master the art of winning lots of football matches. If there was one ingredient to success that's it, win lots of football matches. Three points for a win does that. It disturbs me a bit that as recently as last season Rafa ws harking back to his Valencia days and the fact that they drew a lot of matches before winning the title. A glance at the history books confirms it to be true. Equally however, a comparison with other leagues and other years confirms it to be slightly anomolous.

Generally speaking, you need to win lots of matches to win the title. If we can get our heads around that one, we'll be all the better for it I reckon. Then, maybe you won't need the poll, or indeed the "others" section.