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[stmichael]

another striker is a must as well.

i agree. i mean we'd be better off sticking babel through the middle than playing him out wide. his performance yesterday was nothing short of a disgrace.

spurs were winning and brought on crouch. we were losing and brought on voronin. that just about sums it up for me.

[heimdall]

what a rat [email]cr@p...mediocre[/email] spanish players = Torres,Reina,Riera 

josemi, morrientes, not spanish but still , Babel, Lucas, voronin, Dossena, N'Gog etc etc etc.

Not arguing some signings were excellent, i.e the ones you mentioned but its these fluff players who are blocking the chances for our reserves without showing any passion or skill which annoys me so much.

[GYBS]

yes we know all about the players that have arrived at the club but you cant state that rafa wouldnt of played players like gerrard owen etc as its a statement with no backing whatsoever

[puroresu]

what a rat [email]cr@p...mediocre[/email] spanish players = Torres,Reina,Riera 

josemi, morrientes, not spanish but still , Babel, Lucas, voronin, Dossena, N'Gog etc etc etc.

Not arguing some signings were excellent, i.e the ones you mentioned but its these fluff players who are blocking the chances for our reserves without showing any passion or skill which annoys me so much.

I wouldnt say they are blocking the reserves.  If the reserve players are good enough they will get a chance.

[bigmick]

yes we know all about the players that have arrived at the club but you cant state that rafa wouldnt of played players like gerrard owen etc as its a statement with no backing whatsoever

Well nobody knows in truth. Two things though, Gerrard, Owen, Fowler and the like were miles better than any of our young kids we currently have, so just because Rafa hasn't played any of the current crop it doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have played them. The other side of the coin though for me is that after five years of scouring the globe for talent, we haven't found a single player who is banging on the door, never mind kicking it in.

I know people love Insua because he's the first, but tidy though he is, I'd be amazed if he became a regular for us I really would.

[heimdall]

yes we know all about the players that have arrived at the club but you cant state that rafa wouldnt of played players like gerrard owen etc as its a statement with no backing whatsoever

Well nobody knows in truth. Two things though, Gerrard, Owen, Fowler and the like were miles better than any of our young kids we currently have, so just because Rafa hasn't played any of the current crop it doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have played them. The other side of the coin though for me is that after five years of scouring the globe for talent, we haven't found a single player who is banging on the door, never mind kicking it in.

I know people love Insua because he's the first, but tidy though he is, I'd be amazed if he became a regular for us I really would.

Owen and Fowler were instantly amazing, I'll agree with that but Stevie and Carra needed quite a bit of time to become the players they are today, especially Carra. I really am not sure they would have got a chance under Rafa, I have no evidence for this m'lud, it is pure speculation and my own personal opinion. 

[Raj_Xedos]

what a rat [email]cr@p...mediocre[/email] spanish players = Torres,Reina,Riera 

josemi, morrientes, not spanish but still , Babel, Lucas, voronin, Dossena, N'Gog etc etc etc.

Not arguing some signings were excellent, i.e the ones you mentioned but its these fluff players who are blocking the chances for our reserves without showing any passion or skill which annoys me so much.

morientes was class till he came to the premiership, so on form and reputation, there was nothing to suggest that he would have been a cr@p signing.....

[GYBS]

Gerrard was head and shoulders above his peers as was carra - read their books and it shows you exactly how highly they were rated

[bigmick]

In fairness to the manager given the fact he was hugely influencial in Carragher becoming a fist team regular at centre half, it seems a bit picky to have a go at him because there's a chance he may not have played him as an eighteen year old. FWIW though Heimdall probably does have a point in my opinion in that Rafa is at least hesitent in trusting youth.

I cannot believe that we couldn't find a kid who was better than Kromkamp for example (we did it with a seven million pound left back after all), and Steven Darby can't have been overly encouraged by Martin Skyrtels farcical attempt at being a right back at the Riverside either.

[aCe']

Heimy has a point... didnt put it too well but theres definitely something in what hes saying... Warnock anyone ?!

[Raj_Xedos]

Heimy has a point... didnt put it too well but theres definitely something in what hes saying... Warnock anyone ?!

i liked warnock, but he's like a caragher.....hooof!

i thin rafa like a more composed full back.....

[del_potro]

wasn't much defending against Hamberg, what a crazy start!!!  don't think many if any of the goals had too much to do with Subotic. I only know him because he was almost (debatable how close) an American international, and I knew he was really tall, young and I have seen him score some goals.

Youre right.

On Saturday there were no mistakes of Subotic.

But last season, there were some strange situations. He seems to be nevous. In fact, hes a very good player, but Liverpool needs now a player who can help the team at this moment. Subotic cant do it.

[aCe']

Heimy has a point... didnt put it too well but theres definitely something in what hes saying... Warnock anyone ?!

i liked warnock, but he's like a caragher.....hooof!

i thin rafa like a more composed full back.....

yep.. no wonder we signed Josemi, Kromkamp, Dossena... cant think of any others... over the years...

And warnock isnt all Hoof... hes a decent footballer and would certainly have been our starting LB if he was at the club today...

[GYBS]

Warnock was decent for us - but think both insua and aurelio are better than him - dossena isnt off course . Kromkamp we got on a straight swap and was nothing spectacular but at the time or ressies were poor - rafa did try a few kids at that time - peltier and potter to name a few but both were seen to be not good enough - darby is ok but nothing special .

[stmichael]

I agree with big mick... For the money that's been branded about for turner, I'd go for upson - stick him along side Carra, and let agger / skrtyl fight it out (hopefully not literally) for back up.  Also 3 of our back 4 would then be english.

another striker is a must as well. I really dont know who this could be though. we almost want the impossible - cheap, but good, doesn't mind starting most games on the bench as he'd be behind torres in the pecking order, but be good enough to create something and score goals if he was needed

I'm not so worried about the midfield. I dont know if Lucas is up to it, but Rafa knew what he was getting into when he bought Aquilani. If we needed another central midfieder at the start of the season, you do not buy someone who wont feature (properly) until October.

If Rafa wasn't such a stubborn git we could have had Owen as backup to Torres. Now I'm not Owen's biggest fan but he would have been a great plan B.

We literally only have one striker who is prem quality, it is a complete disgrace and if we go belly up this season it will be what hangs Rafa.

If I was rafa I'd start playing Pachecho and nemeth, what does he have to loose by trying them in a few games. I am becoming certain that if Rafa had been manager at the time then we would never have seen Fowler, Macca, Gerrard or Owen, instead there would have been half-arsed mediocre spanish imports.

We also shouldn't have to rely on one system. We can't rely on just Torres to lead the line in every single game. There'll be games where he's suffocated by defenders and then it's up to Gerrard and co to wade in with their presence. Eight times out of ten, we'll probably be able to assist Torres. Yesterday we were just abysmal all over the pitch.