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Postby tubby » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:06 pm

bigmick wrote:In fairness JBG has championed Riquleme for a while and when you see him playing both for Villareal and Argentina, it's easy to see why. He's undoubtedly a fantastic player but I'm unconvinced you could accomodate him in a team in the English Premiership. He'd be a virtual passenger when you haven't got the ball, and playing where he does would need to produce a couple of pieces of magic per game to make up for his deficiencies in a defensive sense. He's a great player but I'm not so sure he could do it.

He is a god player but has no pace and you can see from the way Morientes plays that a lack of pace can really change the way you play in the premiership. Personally I dont think hes physicaly strong enough.
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Postby Hotrod » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:17 pm

I would also like to see Defoe at the club. He is very much like Owen in the way he plays but a little moe dynamic an unpredicatable than Michael. Defoe could form a great understanding with Gerrard and with Alonso hittin the passes over the top he would get us bags of goals I think he is one of the prems best
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:18 pm

Here are my thoughts on the strikers you mentioned:

Torres – I think we would be a failure in the Premiership, period. Talented player but is similar to Morientes in the way he likes to play the game, and also he is a diver.

Yakubu – A good player who I suggested we buy last year, would have been well worth the money. His link up play is much better than you suggest John. And also, he has the brains to make the best of his strength and pace, an excellent finisher and amazingly strong and aggressive, would have added a new dimension to our forward play. He has been out of team because Steve Mclaren likes to rotate and keep him fresh for the UEFA Cup and FA Cup games, because there is nothing left for them in the Premiership. But saying all that, it not realistic to buy him now, although he is a good player, he isn’t worth the sort of price we would have to pay now, probably 15MIL or so.

Ashton – I like Ashton, re reminds me a lot of RVN in his play. He has almost everything to his game, but his chronic lack of pace is too big a weakness and the highest level.

Defoe – Not good enough in my opinion. Lacks the intelligence to play at a top club, link up play is almost non existent, gets caught off side more than anyone else in the Premiership. He has pace, good finishing but has too many weaknesses to play for a top side. And he isn’t worth the sort of fee that has been talked about, his real value is about 6/7 Mil if you ask me.

Tevez or Aguero – I have seen Tevez play, and while he is talented I don’t think he can play for a top side in the Premiership. He is tough but very small and too greedy. I doubt he will go to Chelsea, cant see Jose Mourinho going for him. Cant speak for Aguero because have only seen few compilation clips.

Keane – Is a good goal scorer and has a touch of class about him, but he will never be good enough to play for a top side, his natural instinct is too be greedy and as a striker this isn’t acceptable. While a good individual player he is too detrimental to the teams play. Is playing at the right level now, would flop at a bigger club.

D. Bent – He is solid all rounder, and has very intelligent movement but he has too many average attributes to play at the top level. Is a poor mans Owen.

A Johnson – Overrated player, has pace but very little brains. Not a serious option.

Owen – Too many bad points. 1) The way he left us still angers me, 2) Is very injury prone, 3) Would command a much higher fee than we sold him for, 4) Would have to pay him silly money. All these factors lead me to say no, and I think there are better players out there.

Mido – He is a good player, not sure he could quiet cut it as a first team player at a top club, but it’s a good shout. Big problem with this guy is his attitude, but more importantly his fitness and weight. His weight fluctuates so much and often he looks like he would be more suited standing behind a counter in a kebab shop.

Anelka – I think he is a good player but overrated. Has a lot of baggage but that wouldn’t be too much of a problem as he is getting older and he couldn’t really have much scope to strop at a big club. I get the feeling he more suited to being a big fish in a small pond. Too many weaknesses in his game.

Villa – From what little I have seen of him he looks good, seems a tough customer with a touch of class, but like I said, I have seen very little of him. And what sort of fee would we have to pay? At least 15 I would imagine.

Bojinov/ Luca Toni – Haven’t seen the first guy, and very little of Toni.

Forlan – Talented player but is at the right sort of level now, isn’t good enough for a top club.

I’m surprised you left out Dirk Kuyt. He is a player I have seen a few times now and have been impressed. I can confidently say that he would not be a failure in the Premiership, but I couldn’t say that he is worth a paying 10MIL plus for, I simply haven’t seen enough to say he is worth that. But too me he seems to have all the qualities to play at a top club.
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I know I have excluded most player but that is only because this is going to be key signing in Rafa revolution, and if it doesn’t work out then it could set us back quiet a bit.

Apart from Yakubu, Ashton, Mido, Villa or Kuyt I would be upset if we signed any of the other guys. And those 4 players all have issues surrounding them. Only Villa and Kuyt are players that could possibly be out of the top draw and worth paying big money for (but I haven’t seen enough to say that confidently), the rest have limitations and may struggle being a first team player at the highest level.

P.S. I would just like to through another name into the hat, Klaas Jan Huntelaar. A young Dutch striker that plays for Ajax, I have been impressed with him and he looks like a proper well rounded centre forward.
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Postby anti-hero » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:14 am

"Defoe – Not good enough in my opinion. Lacks the intelligence to play at a top club, link up play is almost non existent, gets caught off side more than anyone else in the Premiership. He has pace, good finishing but has too many weaknesses to play for a top side. And he isn’t worth the sort of fee that has been talked about, his real value is about 6/7 Mil if you ask me."


Well said.

Defoe's too inconsistent.

Its like having English Cisse.

And I think the French one's better.
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:36 pm

Luke,

Agree with a lot of the things you are saying.  To be honest though I must be missing something with Yakubu if you rate his link-up play.  I think he's the type of guy who gets the ball and either runs towards goal or tries to get a shot off, his awareness of others is poor imo.

I personally think we need two strikers, not just one.  I'd like to see Ashton and Anelka.  The first to replace Morientes, he lacks pace as Morientes does but also he mixes it and scores goals in the Premiership which Morientes does not.  Anelka is another proven scorer in the Prem and offers something different - pace, and bags of it, he'd be my replacement for Cisse.  Do I think Benitez will go for either of these guys?  Not a chance.

On Kuyt, yeah he should have been on the list, I forgot about him to be honest.  I've only ever seen highlights of the guy though, and those who have seen him on several occasions have had conflicting views of him.  I really can't say much more than that on him.
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Postby stmichael » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:57 pm

should keep an eye on the lad huntelaar at ajax. he's only 23 and imo will be hollands no 1 striker within the next 12 months. i rate him even higher than kuyt.
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Postby Bad Bob » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:07 pm

Keane's performance against Man City today underscores his value, for me.

The lad was very busy in and around the box, made a series of intelligent runs and created everything that was good about Tottenham's play in the first half.  Were it not for James, he would have been on the score sheet as well.

He just seems a very intelligent player who gives defenders a lot of problems.

Having said that, on current form, he's not going anywhere as he's cemented a starting place at WHL.  Were he to move, it would be for a massive transfer fee.  A shame we didn't get him last year when he was on the outside looking in down there...
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Postby JC_81 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:02 am

Robbie Keane is more than gd enough for Lpool
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Postby Woollyback » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:10 am

robbie keane on current form is good enough for just about anyone

what's the story with defoe though? last season he was on fire but isn't getting a look-in at spurs this season. anyone know has he been injured or what?
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Postby JC_81 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:12 am

Woollyback wrote:robbie keane on current form is good enough for just about anyone

what's the story with defoe though? last season he was on fire but isn't getting a look-in at spurs this season. anyone know has he been injured or what?

I could tell you the story wooly but im a biased :censored:.  I love keaNE AND ID SIGN HIM IN A HEArtbeat 4 us.  In fact id sign him rite now.  Keano, keanoo!!!!!!
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:07 am

Anelka would still be the pick for me I think he is the kind of striker we wanted to see in Cisse.
A straight swap between them two would be good, Anelka has much more in his locker than Cisse and I think Anelka is a striker you could rely on to score you goals regulary. He has more than just pace, he has good touch, awareness, skill and the experiance of the premiership .
I just wished we'd of signed him when Houllier was here, he was excellent for us and loved playing at Anfield.

As for Robbie Keane I dont think he's what we need, he's a good forward but not a good striker, he also annoy's me at times cause he's a greedy little git. I would agree that we need to bring in two strikers over the summer. But they need to be of the poachers type bringing Keane in along with Crouch doesnt really strike me as a pair that will bag you goals throughout the season.

Anelka and Fowler would be interesting to watch play together, I'm not sure did they play together at Man.C ?
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Postby kopite » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:08 pm

how about kanu
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Postby stmichael » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:54 pm

kopite wrote:how about kanu

you a comedian? :laugh:
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Postby anti-hero » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:15 am

stmichael wrote:
kopite wrote:how about kanu

you a comedian? :laugh:

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Postby coolsobs » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:48 am

kopite wrote:how about kanu

if you put him and rob earnshaw together we could possibly have the best strikeforce in the premiership.
rob earnshaw+kanu=the premiership
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