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Still the romans lost to never rise again...
That's actually debatable...
For example, the eastern roman empire survived until 11th century or so and then it became other nations. This can be considered as the roman empire evolving and not falling.
And then during the Enlightenment, Florence and Italy were central to the rise of human thought, philosophy, art and architecture, etc...
And then there was this Classical Revival in art and architecture...
So who can safely claim that Rome fell and never rose again...
