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Any chance of explaining what Crouch has done to deserve a a starting place? Why would him starting have been so obvious? and how would it have helped the team from seemingly playing like strangers?

IMHO Crouch offers nothing that Kuyt or Voronin do (except a total lack of physical strength and the ability to head to ball further away from the opposition goal, although none of them are special), everyone goes on about playing players in form, so had Rafa not started with Kuyt (two pens against Everton), and Voronin (Played well last few games, linking well, in hindsight cr@p today), then you'd be bleating about rotation again.

In your time as a Liverpool supporter have you ever come across a period of 2 losses in 15 games? and can you confirm you asked for the managers head on each of those times?  Today we did control the game, and had the the majority of the ball, but were blunt up front, i had hopes for Kuyt to do ok this season, and he hasn't delivered, i rather we went with Torres up fornt alone, and played 4-3-3 because our strength is in central midfield.

Thats a corker of a post.

Unbelievable, If Crouch was played as many times as dear Kuyt this season or even Voronin then I'm pretty sure he could play his way into form. But to be honest Red he hasnt has he, so how you expect him to suddenly jump back into the team and banging in goals is beyond me really.

I said Kuyt was a workhorse last season, and was told by some that he'll prove me wrong, (hey Mick). Earlier this season he did look to be forming a decent partnership with Torres. But for me if you keep sticking Kuyt upfront and not partnering him alongside a REAL striker then its almost usless to have him playing game in game out. Vorornin isn that REAL striker neither, not like Torres. Voronin atm reminds me of Smicer (Vladi) A player who every now and then does somthing worthwhile, but for the most part flatters to decieve.

So, how the hell can Crouch be our FOURTH choice striker all of a sudden, my bet Rafa's got a cob on with him.

[Leonmc0708]

The deluded Rafa apologists can make up all the excuses in the world but the sensible fans know that a loss on the weekend to the baby Gooners will probably be the first nail in the Spainards coffin as we would be 9pts adrift and more worrying falling further behind the Scum. So yeah ALL THE PRESSURE IN THE WORLD is on his shoulders and what he can deliver.

Having seen every single game we have played in the EPL this season, I am not confident at all. We were very lucky last week to get 3pts from Woodison, made even harder by Rafa's brain explosion in the 70th minute. We have been average against average sides and have been only a saved penalty away from having our "undefeated" run broken. That same "undefeated" run which so many of the  apologists keep on harping about on this forum. Whoooopeeeeed FARKIN DO!

It would be interesting to see how many of these deluded Martians were the ones that stuck with Houllier in his last days, when all was lost. I bet that most of them are still well and truly on the "Rafa knows best, I am not listening to anyone else, NANANANANA blocking my ears, NANANANANA" ship.

As for the farkwits that are telling fellow supporters to fark off for pointing out that we are playing like a dog's breakfast.
You f**kers should all be lined up and shot. The supporters of this club are its soul not some overpayed foreign coach who has NO LOYALTY to this club outside his paycheck! When he goes you can all fark off to Real Madrid with him if you love him so much........

Interesting that you, as a loyal supporter and heartbeat of this club joined this forum in the wake of our Istanbul glory.

I might be wrong, and if I am I will apologise, but this club was brought up on a bit more than football lad.

As supporters, we have been through thick and thin in equal measure, for all the AC Milans there have been Bristol Cities, for all the West Hams there have been MArsielles and for every Beskitas there have been roma's.

What sets us apart is the vigour with which we stand side by side with our team, our fans and our manager in times of trouble. Toe to toe with the enemy, be it press, adversity, form or anotehr team.

To sing "You will never walk alone" at the start of a game, and use it as your anthem, and then to boo and jeer or demand resignations in hte very next breathe is more than hypocritical, its fuc.king disgraceful.

We are the most succesful team in English football history, but we have not won every single game on the way.

At Anfield, against St Etienne, when all looked lost, we screamed and shouted and cajouled and we won through.

At half time in Constantinople, when we looked dead and buried by the Roman invaders, we stood together as one. We gave everythign we could to the players, and in return they gave eveything they could to us. the result, our most magnificent and joyous victory ever.

Yes players get it wrong sometimes, yes managers make mistakes, but after just a few, so early i nthe campaign when all is not lost and there is very much everythign to play for are we going to desert our posts ?

Are we going to turn on the man, the men who have served us so well in the past ?

I wont.

[The_Rock]

As for the farkwits that are telling fellow supporters to fark off for pointing out that we are playing like a dog's breakfast.
You f**kers should all be lined up and shot. The supporters of this club are its soul not some overpayed foreign coach who has NO LOYALTY to this club outside his paycheck! When he goes you can all fark off to Real Madrid with him if you love him so much........

Couldn't have put it better myself....

[Paul C]

Another dodgy defensive display last night, Carragher and Hyypia were the most solid defenders in Europe for years but over the past few games they've been the shakiest, I haven't seen Finnan playing so bad as he has done lately either, the results of late are nothing to do with individual performances but non of the squad are playing well at all, we have the best squad in the country but things are going to plan.

One of the main problems we have is breaking down organised teams, this has been a problem for the past 18 months, we are too two dimensional and their isn't enough 'pass and move' football, I don't mean to bang on about Arsenal but if you paused one of their games the man on the ball would have 3 or 4 good options to pick a pass out, we don't fight to get that bit of space which can make a difference, that brings me on to my next point which is the state of our passing, we just give the ball away left right and centre, teams that hold onto the ball and make simple passes usually end up winning games but when you have the likes of Gerrard knocking 40 yards cross field balls all the time your going to give the ball away a lot, another player who is awful at distributing the ball is Sisoko, the lad gives the ball away so much and then ends up giving a free kick away (and usually getting booked) making a recovery tackle, yeah ok I like the fight he puts up but he's a liability.

Upfront is my biggest surprise, with Crouch, Voronin, Kuyt and Torres I thought we'd have bags of goals but it just hasn't happened, Dirk Kuyt is awful imo and we wouldn't miss him if he went at the end of the season, no one is bigger than the club but I think Crouch should play more as he gives us so many options with his height and his clever feet.

Hopefully this is just a lull but things need to change quickly if we are to make a title challenge, Rafa has complained about not having money in the past and he was given enough in the summer to buy the players he wanted, he has no excuse now and although I do still back Rafa I think that if nothing has changed by Christmas that the Americans will start asking questions, we have United, Arsenal, Newcastle, Pompey and Man City in the next 2 months so things could really change if we can't take points off the teams around us.

Personally I don't give a fook about the Champ League, yeah it's a big trophy and it would be nice to go far but I want the league title!!!

[Sabre]

The deluded Rafa apologists can make up all the excuses in the world but the sensible fans know that a loss on the weekend to the baby Gooners will probably be the first nail in the Spainards coffin as we would be 9pts adrift and more worrying falling further behind the Scum. So yeah ALL THE PRESSURE IN THE WORLD is on his shoulders and what he can deliver.

All the pressure of the world? 

You call pressure to anything. A bunch of internet clueless idiots and some journos that write things for a cheap living is hardly all the pressure of the world. He hasn't still reached to a point in which his family is insulted, or his car is followed by insulting fans or even shaked.

So right now the pressure is the one a dirty fly makes over your skin.

All the pressure of the world 

[Paul C]

Are we going to turn on the man, the men who have served us so well in the past ?

I wont.

I'm not going to turn on Rafa or the players but when were playing like we have done lately people will obviously analyst and ask questions which they are allowed to, I think the people who are saying sack Rafa are muppets, like I said give it to the end of the season then see how the season panned out before people start calling for Rafa's head on a stick! 

[burjennio]

Leonmc0708 Posted on Oct. 25 2007,09:33
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The deluded Rafa apologists can make up all the excuses in the world but the sensible fans know that a loss on the weekend to the baby Gooners will probably be the first nail in the Spainards coffin as we would be 9pts adrift and more worrying falling further behind the Scum. So yeah ALL THE PRESSURE IN THE WORLD is on his shoulders and what he can deliver.

Having seen every single game we have played in the EPL this season, I am not confident at all. We were very lucky last week to get 3pts from Woodison, made even harder by Rafa's brain explosion in the 70th minute. We have been average against average sides and have been only a saved penalty away from having our "undefeated" run broken. That same "undefeated" run which so many of the  apologists keep on harping about on this forum. Whoooopeeeeed FARKIN DO!

It would be interesting to see how many of these deluded Martians were the ones that stuck with Houllier in his last days, when all was lost. I bet that most of them are still well and truly on the "Rafa knows best, I am not listening to anyone else, NANANANANA blocking my ears, NANANANANA" ship.

As for the farkwits that are telling fellow supporters to fark off for pointing out that we are playing like a dog's breakfast.
You f**kers should all be lined up and shot. The supporters of this club are its soul not some overpayed foreign coach who has NO LOYALTY to this club outside his paycheck! When he goes you can all fark off to Real Madrid with him if you love him so much........

Interesting that you, as a loyal supporter and heartbeat of this club joined this forum in the wake of our Istanbul glory.

I might be wrong, and if I am I will apologise, but this club was brought up on a bit more than football lad.

As supporters, we have been through thick and thin in equal measure, for all the AC Milans there have been Bristol Cities, for all the West Hams there have been MArsielles and for every Beskitas there have been roma's.

What sets us apart is the vigour with which we stand side by side with our team, our fans and our manager in times of trouble. Toe to toe with the enemy, be it press, adversity, form or anotehr team.

To sing "You will never walk alone" at the start of a game, and use it as your anthem, and then to boo and jeer or demand resignations in hte very next breathe is more than hypocritical, its fuc.king disgraceful.

We are the most succesful team in English football history, but we have not won every single game on the way.

At Anfield, against St Etienne, when all looked lost, we screamed and shouted and cajouled and we won through.

At half time in Constantinople, when we looked dead and buried by the Roman invaders, we stood together as one. We gave everythign we could to the players, and in return they gave eveything they could to us. the result, our most magnificent and joyous victory ever.

Yes players get it wrong sometimes, yes managers make mistakes, but after just a few, so early i nthe campaign when all is not lost and there is very much everythign to play for are we going to desert our posts ?

Are we going to turn on the man, the men who have served us so well in the past ?

I wont.

I think we found Rafas new no 2 

Great post Leon - lets get behind the side and the coach ffs, the performances can only get better and some quality players will be returning , lets look at the positives, there's a hell of a lot of matches left to play!

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Iam dreading this game cause come on at the moment our confidence is shocking. Arsenal are playing some breath taking football, playing with confidence in abundance, and we are just playing shiteee to say the least.

How Rafa can say we are playing ok is beyond belief !! The players need a wake up call and by now after the marselles game i thought they would ave had it, but no! no such improvement, no passion and no player taking the game by the scruff.. Our season is crumbling before our eyes, and Sunday at the moment i just can't see no different.

We need Aggar back fast, Alonso back fast, Torres back fast!!

Rafa fecked up by not bringing in a quality back up centre back in the summer, For Hyypia its been one season to many at the moment. As for Crouch he needs a run in the team he plays on confidence and can score goals if given a run of games. But Rafa has broken his confidence beyond repair i think. We have one forward who can score goals, two forwards who try to score goals, but don't!! and one in crouch who can score goals but the manager is to stubborn to give him a run and prefers just to destroy every bit of confidence in him. Not looking good!!

One thing is for certain we can't get any worse !!!!!!!!!

[thegreedo]

The deluded Rafa apologists can make up all the excuses in the world but the sensible fans know that a loss on the weekend to the baby Gooners will probably be the first nail in the Spainards coffin as we would be 9pts adrift and more worrying falling further behind the Scum. So yeah ALL THE PRESSURE IN THE WORLD is on his shoulders and what he can deliver.

Having seen every single game we have played in the EPL this season, I am not confident at all. We were very lucky last week to get 3pts from Woodison, made even harder by Rafa's brain explosion in the 70th minute. We have been average against average sides and have been only a saved penalty away from having our "undefeated" run broken. That same "undefeated" run which so many of the  apologists keep on harping about on this forum. Whoooopeeeeed FARKIN DO!

It would be interesting to see how many of these deluded Martians were the ones that stuck with Houllier in his last days, when all was lost. I bet that most of them are still well and truly on the "Rafa knows best, I am not listening to anyone else, NANANANANA blocking my ears, NANANANANA" ship.

As for the farkwits that are telling fellow supporters to fark off for pointing out that we are playing like a dog's breakfast.
You f**kers should all be lined up and shot. The supporters of this club are its soul not some overpayed foreign coach who has NO LOYALTY to this club outside his paycheck! When he goes you can all fark off to Real Madrid with him if you love him so much........

Interesting that you, as a loyal supporter and heartbeat of this club joined this forum in the wake of our Istanbul glory.

I might be wrong, and if I am I will apologise, but this club was brought up on a bit more than football lad.

As supporters, we have been through thick and thin in equal measure, for all the AC Milans there have been Bristol Cities, for all the West Hams there have been MArsielles and for every Beskitas there have been roma's.

What sets us apart is the vigour with which we stand side by side with our team, our fans and our manager in times of trouble. Toe to toe with the enemy, be it press, adversity, form or anotehr team.

To sing "You will never walk alone" at the start of a game, and use it as your anthem, and then to boo and jeer or demand resignations in hte very next breathe is more than hypocritical, its fuc.king disgraceful.

We are the most succesful team in English football history, but we have not won every single game on the way.

At Anfield, against St Etienne, when all looked lost, we screamed and shouted and cajouled and we won through.

At half time in Constantinople, when we looked dead and buried by the Roman invaders, we stood together as one. We gave everythign we could to the players, and in return they gave eveything they could to us. the result, our most magnificent and joyous victory ever.

Yes players get it wrong sometimes, yes managers make mistakes, but after just a few, so early i nthe campaign when all is not lost and there is very much everythign to play for are we going to desert our posts ?

Are we going to turn on the man, the men who have served us so well in the past ?

I wont.

Great post Leon!!
There are too many clowns on here with short memories. In times of trouble we stick by our own. Some people on here would do well to remember that!!

[Paul C]

The deluded Rafa apologists can make up all the excuses in the world but the sensible fans know that a loss on the weekend to the baby Gooners will probably be the first nail in the Spainards coffin as we would be 9pts adrift and more worrying falling further behind the Scum. So yeah ALL THE PRESSURE IN THE WORLD is on his shoulders and what he can deliver.

Having seen every single game we have played in the EPL this season, I am not confident at all. We were very lucky last week to get 3pts from Woodison, made even harder by Rafa's brain explosion in the 70th minute. We have been average against average sides and have been only a saved penalty away from having our "undefeated" run broken. That same "undefeated" run which so many of the  apologists keep on harping about on this forum. Whoooopeeeeed FARKIN DO!

It would be interesting to see how many of these deluded Martians were the ones that stuck with Houllier in his last days, when all was lost. I bet that most of them are still well and truly on the "Rafa knows best, I am not listening to anyone else, NANANANANA blocking my ears, NANANANANA" ship.

As for the farkwits that are telling fellow supporters to fark off for pointing out that we are playing like a dog's breakfast.
You f**kers should all be lined up and shot. The supporters of this club are its soul not some overpayed foreign coach who has NO LOYALTY to this club outside his paycheck! When he goes you can all fark off to Real Madrid with him if you love him so much........

Interesting that you, as a loyal supporter and heartbeat of this club joined this forum in the wake of our Istanbul glory.

I might be wrong, and if I am I will apologise, but this club was brought up on a bit more than football lad.

As supporters, we have been through thick and thin in equal measure, for all the AC Milans there have been Bristol Cities, for all the West Hams there have been MArsielles and for every Beskitas there have been roma's.

What sets us apart is the vigour with which we stand side by side with our team, our fans and our manager in times of trouble. Toe to toe with the enemy, be it press, adversity, form or anotehr team.

To sing "You will never walk alone" at the start of a game, and use it as your anthem, and then to boo and jeer or demand resignations in hte very next breathe is more than hypocritical, its fuc.king disgraceful.

We are the most succesful team in English football history, but we have not won every single game on the way.

At Anfield, against St Etienne, when all looked lost, we screamed and shouted and cajouled and we won through.

At half time in Constantinople, when we looked dead and buried by the Roman invaders, we stood together as one. We gave everythign we could to the players, and in return they gave eveything they could to us. the result, our most magnificent and joyous victory ever.

Yes players get it wrong sometimes, yes managers make mistakes, but after just a few, so early i nthe campaign when all is not lost and there is very much everythign to play for are we going to desert our posts ?

Are we going to turn on the man, the men who have served us so well in the past ?

I wont.

Great post Leon!!
There are too many clowns on here with short memories. In times of trouble we stick by our own. Some people on here would do well to remember that!!

Too many people are just ar5e kissers, great post Leon, we love you   

[josip84]

Hello lads.
I clearly understand that the main objective of your season is the Premiership title, and I clearly understand why. And yet I daresay once again that I regard LFC's offhandedness in the Champions League as a big mistake. You are disregarding and neglecting what made you world famous. As a Marseille fan, I very much hope that you will eventually make it to the next phase of the UCL and that you will qualify, even if you are in trouble in our group today.
Looking forward to seeing you in December in the south of France.

[fatih]

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well this answers why we are were we are, rafas comments:

Benitez said: "We needed to make a change, but the players were doing well. Dirk Kuyt and Andriy Voronin were creating chances, I was happy with the way they were playing.

"It was just bad luck that Crouch was waiting to come on when they scored their second.

[112-1077774096]

and another soundbite from the tactical genius last night

"But if we keep playing like we did here, we will win matches because we will certainly score more next time around if we play like that."


no rafa we wont certainly score more, possibly we will if you drop kuyt, he is as potent as a eunuchs sperm, get someone up front who knows what the goal looks like then we won't have to rely on luck (another of his comments last night) and we might actually convert more of our chances.

its just like the last 3 seasons, plenty of chances going astray and plenty of excuses

[ivor_the_injun]

When Rafa came, if he'd have promised you the Champions League win in 2005, and told you the price you have to pay is a losing final appearance in 2007 and an early exit the next season, everyone here would have snatched his f*cking hands off.

Absolutely shameful excuses for fans on this forum after a defeat. Win together, lose together. Calling for a new manager and new signings we can't have every time we put in a bad performance is a c*nt's trick.

Before the season everyone with sense said that the league was a long shot, and we were always still going to be two or three signings away from where Rafa wants us to be. Nobody should be surprised if we win nothing this season and most things next season as far as I'm concerned - we're clearly still a work in progress.