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[maypaxvobiscum]

You only need to look at Benitez's past for evidence of Alternate Season Syndrome, starting with his first season at Valencia. The pattern reads: league title, league disappointment (5th), league title, league disappointment (5th), league "success" (Liverpool's highest domestic points tally for 18 years), league disappointment (3rd, but fairly off the pace). So far this season, the pattern is very much in place.

so rafa isnt consistent enough

[maypaxvobiscum]

well you are entitled to your opinion however wrong it is

.....in your opinion 

of course in my opinon, but i don't really see why you choose to get involved. is that how you spend your life, trawling through forums trying to find simple things you can post on to try and appear clever.


peewee sits back and waits for a further post with an explanation to prove he is right   

Ever since I received a PM from him saying "Grow some balls" I decided hes an idiot....I grew a sunflower but no balls...

Trust you to jump in on the act. PM intended solely as a point of reflecting your attitude towards me.

look whose complaining about attitude

how anal

[maguskwt]

'I see pessimistic people...' 

[flombs]

Eds has it pretty spot on. For all the glory that is LFC, we cant hope to live on the past and expect it to get us through hard times. There is so much more this team could achieve, and it bothers me sooo much that we have only one decent forward in Torres. Get rid of Kuyt and Voronin  there is so much more talented strikers out there. Honestly i think our team is verging on being great, bar getting another quality CB and winger.

[eds]

Eds has it pretty spot on. For all the glory that is LFC, we cant hope to live on the past and expect it to get us through hard times. There is so much more this team could achieve, and it bothers me sooo much that we have only one decent forward in Torres. Get rid of Kuyt and Voronin  there is so much more talented strikers out there. Honestly i think our team is verging on being great, bar getting another quality CB and winger.

That's exactly right flombs!

It is evident that we need another quality CB and winger.

I also don't rate Kuyt or Voronin. They belong at middle-table teams as they aren't on the same level as Torres, Martins, Rooney, Drogba, etc...........

But what has Rafa done he has made sure that we have enough CM players to field a starting 11 with. The mind bloody boogles with these decisions! It honesty does!

Rafa can be so hot and cold at times, that it can be painstakingly frustrating..........

[Ciggy]

well you are entitled to your opinion however wrong it is

.....in your opinion 

of course in my opinon, but i don't really see why you choose to get involved. is that how you spend your life, trawling through forums trying to find simple things you can post on to try and appear clever.


peewee sits back and waits for a further post with an explanation to prove he is right   

Ever since I received a PM from him saying "Grow some balls" I decided hes an idiot....I grew a sunflower but no balls...

Trust you to jump in on the act. PM intended solely as a point of reflecting your attitude towards me.

You ruin 90% of topics in the Liverpool forum with always trying to stir up arguements, multiple quotes, and always have to get the last word in.
And cause arguments with some of the less vocal on here.
Quite frankly you get on a lot of peoples tits.

[Leonmc0708]

Your powers of deduction truly are amazing. Are you insinuating that I joined this forum because of Istanbul. My god lad, you truly are daft. For you to suggest such a ridiculous thing is the equivalent of me saying that you joined this forum in 2004 just when Houllier's reign was coming to an end and that you only joined to boost the "keep the Frenchy" numbers which were dwindling by the second (at that moment in our history). Stupid baseless comments indeed!

I insinuated and retracted the point immideiately.

I started supporting this club in the 90s and we all know there was not a single plastic fan-boy bandwagon "supporter" in sight, don't we?  

How old are you mate ? Just curious like

Your entire post is sentimental rubbish that is based on passion rather then reasoning. Let me get you some tissues as it belongs more in a bad hollywood movie script than on this forum.

Passion that is what so many people demand from our players, "Fire in your belly comes from the Pride and Passion of wearing the red shirt" (Bill Shankly) and what sets great footballers and great football teams apart.

Passion is what has been the difference to our results of late mate.

I am not calling for Rafa's immediate sacking. As I have stated in several of my posts if we come 3rd and 4th again and 1st is daylights ahead of us, we must look at our option at seasons end. If we must part with the Spanaird then so be it. The club is greater then one man, we all know that.

Agreed, but how can this stipulation of yours (direct quote above) stem from results in the Champions LEague (which you whittle on about below) ? ? ? ?

Now moving into your mindless dribble, are you saying that just because our anthem is "You will never walk alone" we don't have a right to criticise and evaluate our own success?

No, I am saying if you sing them words then you need to support "though your dreams be tossed and blown".

Criticise and evaluate away, but why are people asking for replacement after 2 defeats in 16 games ? IF this form continues over 58-60 games then we will be winnign something, make no mistake. (USING your own logic and reasoning - that will mean just seven defeats in the whole campaign, if 2 are in domestic cup competition and we go out and another is in the Champions LEague and we go out then thats just 2 league defeats is it not?)

Let's put things into perspective Leon:

* We are out of the Champions League (bar a miracle)

Winning 3 games, two at home and one away to a team who will probably be through by then is not a miracle, its exactly what you would expect from a team who has the desire to succeed.

A Miracle is being 0-3 down in a final and looking shi.te but then still winnign hte final and scoring 3 goals in six minutes. But that would NEVER happen.

* A lose on the weekend, will mean we are 9pts behind Arsenal so early into the campaign and juging by the way we are playing will be out of the hunt by December.

A win at the weekend and another the week after coupledwith a draw between Arsenal and United would put us third, 2 points off united and one off Arsenal with a game in hand against United. Big IF's, but so is yours is it not ?

Yet for some extrodinary reason we have logical and reasonable fans that don't understand the severity of this. We have been knocked out of the Champions League and may be 9pts behind in our domestic competition, 4 years and millions of pounds down the track with a coach who was meant to be showing us glimpses of DOMESTIC success.

No we have not been kicked out yet and we are not yet 9 points off Arsenal, so how is logic or reason your method ? surely its assumption; no ?

Sabre can say everything he wants about burning effigies, turning cars over, but sadly "eso no muestra la passion de personas que so intelligentes y se dan quenta que lo que esta pasando aqui"

Please someone translate this ?

We have a better squad, but why isn't that translating in the title race?? Could it have something to do with our manager? Surely not!!!! It's the players fault, it's the supporters fault, it's Pako's fault, it's Jose fault for leaving Chelsea, FFS give me a break!!!!!

No, its down to a number of factors, and if its a break you need then take it.

Oh and when most people read this they will realise you are wrong, so yes I do require an apology.................

When most people realise I am wrong who do you want hte apology from ?

I apologised for the glory hunting jibe immidiately, however I await your response to the aboe with baited breath.

[Sabre]

Eds say

Sabre can say everything he wants about burning effigies, turning cars over, but sadly "eso no muestra la passion de personas que so intelligentes y se dan quenta que lo que esta pasando aqui"

Erm. I think he says here that my example of the pressure being bigger in Spain doesn't show, or isn't related to the passion of clever fans that realise what's going on here.

My point was not to doubt your passion, nor the intelligence of any fan. My point is, that no matter how bad the pressure seems to be, working in Anfield will always have a better environment that in Spain. For instance Rafa works with closed doors in Melwood, where as in Valencia has to hear fans that are insulting. The clubs in Spain fiddle more with the manager's work than here (can even call you to tell you to line up somebody or you're sácked).

That's what I meant, Liverpool are a better structured club, and the environment, no matter how angry you are, is much better to work.

[stmichael]

We have got problems and things will not change unless Rafa changes his philosophy in the near future. At the moment, Rafa has the team setup not lose a game instead of thinking of winning it. We are so obsessed in not conceding a goal that we rarely let the shackles off and take chances. For all his abuse he gets Andy Gray made a vaild point yesterday in that Besiktas had a corner and sent three at most four players into the box yet we had seven players back there.

For example, Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso, Lucas and Mascherano are our main central midfielders but out of them only Gerrard could be classed as an attacking player. Torres, Kuyt, Voronin and Crouch are the main strikers but other then Torres the other three are known for working hard, tracking back into midfield and holding the ball up. Crouch is probably our second most dangerous striker but he can't get a kick at the moment, even with Torres having been injured.

I know people hate posters referring to the other members of the big four but both Man United and Arsenal are both setup to attack team regardless of been home or away. To decide if this tactic works then look at the Premiership winners since it started and see how many times these two teams feature.

This is not a 'get rid of Rafa' post as i really rate Rafa and his tactics have proven time and time again to work but i think we would love to see Rafa tell the team to go out and attack the opposition instead of inviting pressure.

We all know what positions need strengthening and we all know the positives and negatives of rotation but one thing i will say about changing the players all the time is if Torres is to be rested then Babel should play there, or another striker with pace should be signed.

A victory on Sunday will make things look rosy again but the problems started before the International break and will take a total re-think by our management team and the way they approach the game.

[supersub]

A new breed of supporter evolved in the nineties and I will name it an associate.
They love to be associated with success.
The Liverpool associates don't out number Liverpool supporters,they are just obvious by the less tolerant approach to the team and it's performances.
They demand instant success and revel in triumphs that their team achieves but are the bitterest critics when things aren't so rosy.They are fickle

[Leonmc0708]

A new breed of supporter evolved in the nineties and I will name it an associate.
They love to be associated with success.
The Liverpool associates don't out number Liverpool supporters,they are just obvious by the less tolerant approach to the team and it's performances.
They demand instant success and revel in triumphs that their team achieves but are the bitterest critics when things aren't so rosy.They are fickle

John Moncur

[tubby]

We have got problems and things will not change unless Rafa changes his philosophy in the near future.

A victory on Sunday will make things look rosy again but the problems started before the International break and will take a total re-think by our management team and the way they approach the game.

I think that says it all really. But the question is will Rafa change his methods? We have seen him admit to making mistakes in terms of getting rid of poor signings but changing the way you manage the team is a bit different.

At what point do we (or should I say the owners) draw the line between "a good manager with potential for the team" and "a manager wasting money as well time". Not to mention the likes of Carra and Stevie arnt getting any younger.

As you say a victory on the weekend will make things rosey again.....for now. Until the next slip up at which point the heat comes down only harder.

And PS you lot can talk all you want about fans and "associates" blah blah blah. But the fans dont pay the bills or the wages and the fans. its the owners that will decide in the end.

[Leonmc0708]

As you say a victory on the weekend will make things rosey again.....for now. Until the next slip up at which point the heat comes down only harder.

A sad sad intditement of the kind of people that we have following this team at this time.

[tubby]

Leon everyone is entitled to their own opinion which is why I requested that my Rafa out thread be kept open so that should he be sacked i can say "i told you so" to the lot of you. This is a new generation of foreign investment in teams. How long do you expect them to be patient Leon seriously? I season maybe 2? And then what. Another manager who has spent a fair deal after 4 or 5 years and we are still only hovering around 3rd and 4th in the league.

[red37]

Leon everyone is entitled to their own opinion which is why I requested that my Rafa out thread be kept open so that should he be sacked i can say "i told you so" to the lot of you.

And that would make you feel better?