Liverpool FC Forum

[JC_81]

Just to add Big Mick you say Cisse attitude stinks but did you think this when he ran out on the Champions leauge final ? The man has been treated rough so he is pis*sed off.

Boo-hoo for Cisse, I'm sure the 40 grand a week will sweeten the blow of not playing every week, oh how I wish I had his problems.

I don't give a if he's annoyed at not playing, he's a paid professional and it's his job to give 100% on the pitch, which he hasn't been doing.

He needs to knuckle down and do his best until January.  If he gets chances to play he needs to take them, if not then it's tough, that's football.

[Ciggy]

Cisse loves his to feed his ego he is a showman and dont I dont think he does himself any favours with his extravogant and eccentric life style I dont think it does him any favours with Rafa.
The groom 

One of his cars he has his daughters face on the bonnet, she is in France so he says she's on the bonnet so he can see her everyday.

Another one of his cars a Hummer, other owners of such cars are 50 cent, Usher, P.Diddy, Dr Dre infact all Rap artists own one of these humungus automobiles. This is him leaving Melwood.

The 2 million pound Manor he bought plus the title The Lord of The Manor, the 600 pound parrot that was stolen and all over the media, all this wont help him in getting in Rafa's good books Im afraid, plus he has just appeared nude in the new parrelli calender, and here's his clothing range which is very successful in France.
http://www.nrj-saint-tropez.com/nrj_saint_tropez_plus/index-147.html

[darwisigila]

for me cisse we have now is different than cisse before he was injured last year. right now he play without his head-ambitious shot, bad first touch, poor crosses and looking dangerous when he receive the ball.

[antz]

I agree I wouldnt say no to 60 grand a week for doing what Cisse is doing at all but what happend on Sunday with him coming on with 10 mins would have been hard to handle. Look at Kewell when he is half fit he played last year and did nothing to help the team but Rafa still gave him a chance. I dont think that Cisse is good enough for LFC but as somebody said at the moment his the only striker at the club who looks like they will as the scoring chartsat the club shows.

[red37]

" If he's angry then fine, when his chance comes as it surely must then grab it with both hands. Run till you drop and score a couple of goals."

thats exactly what he DID do..in the super-cup final.

and 'pound for pound' the arguement carries enough weight for him to be allowed the chance to reproduce that....soon.

(if djibril cisse was honest), whether factually correct or assumptions borne from his own 'psyche' are to be involved...id hazard a wild guess that...cisse was 'knocked from his self-styled perch'  the day we signed peter crouch..

well, he either HAS to get over it, psychologically as well as on the pitch...or fall foul of bemoaning his 'lot', upset everyone, and go! (at the moment he still has the fans) it'd be a dam shame if the lad isnt at least given a STAGE for these next 3 months to prove himself.

and judging (as only we can TRY to) by rafa benitez' single-mindedness in his procurement of crouch, in comparison with benitez' "supposed" mistrust of his inherited striker....the only way he will GET a chance is if his manager sees fit.. or there are injuries elsewhere. that may be his only 'hand' to deal...

take it cisse and use it well ( i repeat, monaco anyone?)

[antz]

Cisse loves his to feed his ego he is a showman and dont I dont think he does himself any favours with his extravogant and eccentric life style I dont think it does him any favours with Rafa.
The groom 

One of his cars he has his daughters face on the bonnet, she is in France so he says she's on the bonnet so he can see her everyday.

Another one of his cars a Hummer, other owners of such cars are 50 cent, Usher, P.Diddy, Dr Dre infact all Rap artists own one of these humungus automobiles. This is him leaving Melwood.

The 2 million pound Manor he bought plus the title The Lord of The Manor, the 600 pound parrot that was stolen and all over the media, all this wont help him in getting in Rafa's good books Im afraid, plus he has just appeared nude in the new parrelli calender, and here's his clothing range which is very successful in France.
http://www.nrj-saint-tropez.com/nrj_saint_tropez_plus/index-147.html

What the hell would rafa do with Beckham. Good old Jimmy traoe doesnt make the papers and is on low wages compared to Cisse but is uesless on the pitch but is picked.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

UNfortunately for Liverpool Football Club, Raffa is very stubborn.  He must see that how we are playing isn't working but it appears he will not change the tactics.

Cisse is not the man for the job, BUT we are playing other players like Garcia who are also not right in the positions he is playing in (Right Mid, when his best postion is behind the front 2 IMO) so why not Cisse,

I think we wil have to accept that Raffa has his own plans, and to be fair most of the suppporters are not going to like them.

What I don't understand is that last year we played attacking football.  Is it because we only managed to get 5th spot in the EPL that has made him more defensive?

[hawkmoon269]

I think the most fustrating thing is Rafa's insistance with starting with 4-5-1, playing wide, when we don't have any true wingers.  This system isn't working!  But he still plays that way!

Why wont he give Crouch/Cisse or Cisse/FSP a chance in 4-4-2.  The Cisse/FSP worked well in the pre-season warm-ups!

Ok, we all know Cisse doesn't act like a teamplayer all the time - when he looses possession, he acts like a spoilt child, and doesn't chance back to regain possession.

But until be is given a chance in a 442, over a couple of games, with proper support from preferably Crouch, we can't judge him

[Ciggy]

My big fear is our next few games, where we really need to start gathering some points, I really think Cisse will be the back of the pack behind Morientes, Crouch, and Flo, I still think we will only see him play the last 10 minutes for a few more games then I fear he will be dropped all together.
Rafa seems so adamant to stick with his formation, even though its not doing anyone any good.

[Paul C]

My big fear is our next few games, where we really need to start gathering some points, I really think Cisse will be the back of the pack behind Morientes, Crouch, and Flo, I still think we will only see him play the last 10 minutes for a few more games then I fear he will be dropped all together.
Rafa seems so adamant to stick with his formation, even though its not doing anyone any good.

Agreed there CGGY, I wish Rafa would just go back to 4-4-2 for a few games 

[stmichael]

I think the most fustrating thing is Rafa's insistance with starting with 4-5-1, playing wide, when we don't have any true wingers.  This system isn't working!  But he still plays that way!

Why wont he give Crouch/Cisse or Cisse/FSP a chance in 4-4-2.  The Cisse/FSP worked well in the pre-season warm-ups!

Ok, we all know Cisse doesn't act like a teamplayer all the time - when he looses possession, he acts like a spoilt child, and doesn't chance back to regain possession.

But until be is given a chance in a 442, over a couple of games, with proper support from preferably Crouch, we can't judge him

Like you say, 4-5-1 only ever works with dynamic wingers and attacking midfielders supporting the striker like comparisons between Chelsea and ourselves show. I'm all for using this formation if preferred by Rafa but as many have pointed out, it's foolish to play 4-5-1 with the players at our disposal. For the time being, adopting a second striker, preferably Cisse, is essential. For the longer term, two skilful, quick, touchline-hugging wingers with the ability to cross remain the key (when do we ever get behind the opposition?). Riise, Zenden, Garcia, Kewell and Pongolle are not the answer. Hopefully Gonzales can live up to his supposed potential if/when he arrives, while someone expensive like Simao/Joaquin is likely to be targeted for the right flank.

With Cisse massively out of favour, another striker looks certain to come in, though whether someone like Kuyt would be used as a lone striker or in a slightly deeper role next to Crouch (who I think has exceeded expectations with what he has contributed so far) is unclear. I would hope a deep lying striker, like Kuyt, would be used as opposed to an attacking midfielder like Garcia, who does little in defence and lacks enough of a regular goal threat - even though he has scored important goals for us. Though Kuyt, who seems to be Rafa's main forward target, isn't the quickest, two quick wingers should compensate. 

[bigmick]

thats exactly what he DID do..in the super-cup final.

and 'pound for pound' the arguement carries enough weight for him to be allowed the chance to reproduce that....soon.

(if djibril cisse was honest), whether factually correct or assumptions borne from his own 'psyche' are to be involved...id hazard a wild guess that...cisse was 'knocked from his self-styled perch'  the day we signed peter crouch..

well, he either HAS to get over it, psychologically as well as on the pitch...or fall foul of bemoaning his 'lot', upset everyone, and go! (at the moment he still has the fans) it'd be a dam shame if the lad isnt at least given a STAGE for these next 3 months to prove himself.

and judging (as only we can TRY to) by rafa benitez' single-mindedness in his procurement of crouch, in comparison with benitez' "supposed" mistrust of his inherited striker....the only way he will GET a chance is if his manager sees fit.. or there are injuries elsewhere. that may be his only 'hand' to deal...

take it cisse and use it well ( i repeat, monaco anyone?)

It's entirely up to yourself of course Red, and maybe it's just me but I find the USE of capital letters in a SEEMINGLY random fashion, somewhat DISTRACTING from  your otherwise interesting posts.

[red37]

thats exactly what he DID do..in the super-cup final.

and 'pound for pound' the arguement carries enough weight for him to be allowed the chance to reproduce that....soon.

(if djibril cisse was honest), whether factually correct or assumptions borne from his own 'psyche' are to be involved...id hazard a wild guess that...cisse was 'knocked from his self-styled perch'  the day we signed peter crouch..

well, he either HAS to get over it, psychologically as well as on the pitch...or fall foul of bemoaning his 'lot', upset everyone, and go! (at the moment he still has the fans) it'd be a dam shame if the lad isnt at least given a STAGE for these next 3 months to prove himself.

and judging (as only we can TRY to) by rafa benitez' single-mindedness in his procurement of crouch, in comparison with benitez' "supposed" mistrust of his inherited striker....the only way he will GET a chance is if his manager sees fit.. or there are injuries elsewhere. that may be his only 'hand' to deal...

take it cisse and use it well ( i repeat, monaco anyone?)

It's entirely up to yourself of course Red, and maybe it's just me but I find the USE of capital letters in a SEEMINGLY random fashion, somewhat DISTRACTING from  your otherwise interesting posts.

i think the trouble is bigmick.. its easier to emphasise words by doing just that.. when im posting, i imagine myself 'talking' to that person. articulating and highlighting in upper case is the best way to do that..when your typing?
i take your point lucidly on board however. although in the grand scheme of things.. im sure there are far more inflammatory subjects written within these pages to 'nit-pick' other than the correct useage of ....grammar 

[bigmick]

although in the grand scheme of things.. im sure there are far more inflammatory subjects written within these pages to 'nit-pick' other than the correct useage of ....grammar 

It wasn't intended as a nit-pick Red, it's not really my style to nit-pick as a rule. Having said that, I can see how you think it may have been so apologies if it got on your thruppenies, no harm meant.

[red37]

although in the grand scheme of things.. im sure there are far more inflammatory subjects written within these pages to 'nit-pick' other than the correct useage of ....grammar 

It wasn't intended as a nit-pick Red, it's not really my style to nit-pick as a rule. Having said that, I can see how you think it may have been so apologies if it got on your thruppenies, no harm meant.

absolutely none taken  pal 

ill say one thing though.. this forum spans a worldwide audience. and half of the participants in it ( with certain exceptions) do their level best to construct their posts both with clarity and legibility.. its as hard as 'we' joining a steaua bucharest forum and understanding the points being made. let alone the correct way of 'reading' them! albeit english is slightly more known to the world than romanian!  but, you get my meaning.
if we can dismiss their grammar (rightly) but, understand their contribution.. then that is fine in my book.. as i said no offence taken at all.. and now im aware of it, i can try to adjust.