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[Bam]

Edit.

Thanks for the info.

[Sabre]

I can't find it right now, but in this thread there's an excellent post of Inglis5, one of those posters that has been with us for a long time but doesn't post as often as some of us.

It was a post-rant about respect to our players, and respect to others, and I liked it a lot.

Please excuse me, I've just got back from the pub. I'm going to write what I am thinking right now and worry about it in the morning...

First things first, our performance. OK. Started brightly, sat back too much for the rest of the first half after scoring. After 60 minutes we should have then conceivably been 5 up after sevearl great efforts (brilliantly saved) and poor finishes. Anyway... this season we can all agree that we've had our fair share of luck, suffice to say, today we had none. But what can you do... This brings me to reason why I am so very, very p*ssed off.

I live in London, I'm an 'Ooter'. I'll hold my hands up. I was born in the Midlands. I grew up in the Midlands and I moved to London 5 years ago. When I was growing up I resisted the attempts of my Dad and older brother to support their team (Coventry City) and, like the majority of 4 - 5 year olds, I supported the best club at the time. I have always justified this through my scouse roots (my Mum's side of the family are all from Kirby) and over my 30 years I have never waivered, I've never questioned, I've always supported my team. Although, like many, I find it difficult to get tickets to games I never miss a match, if I can't go, I watch it on tele, if it's not on tele, I watch it over the internet, if I can't watch it I listen to it on the radio and if it's not on the radio I sit on the internet refreshing the BBC website every 30 seconds. Anyway, I consider myself a Liverpool fan in every sense of the word.

So, tonight I go to my local in North London and watch the game with my best mate, a Spurs fan. The pub I go to is known as a Liverpool pub. The ex-landlord (a great man called Pete) left recently and it has now been taken over by somebody else. The problem I have always had is that you go into this pub and there are some gobsh*tes (2 scouse one from London) who, depsite professing to support the club, are a nightmare. As the ball rolled to Kuyt the cry of 'don't shoot you c*nt' rang around the bar. Everytime Babel got the ball they were on his back immediately. They cheered the substitution of Keane.

I'm not religious but I believe in Karma. My girlfirend is from Stoke and tonight she was justifiably delighted to have her team win again. Before the season my previously menitoned Spurse fan and a Arsenal fan were taking the p*ss out of Stoke. Saying they would get less points than Derby, that they would be going straight back down. The results of the last two weeks were consequently put down to Karma.

I don't put on our loss down tonight to anything the team did wrong. I put the blame solely at the feet of those arseh*les who - took the  out of the opposition fans, shouted at our own players & rejoiced before nothing was won.

Sorry for the rant, I'm dissapointed. I just hope that people think before they talk. That the term 'supporter' is based around the word 'support'. And if any of those people are reading this they take a look in the mirror and respect their own team and the opposition...

Ah, here it is.

Your post is the reason why I never insult my players. I have in the heart 2 clubs, one that's normally in football glory (Liverpool) and one local club who are in the hell of a lower division.

I never insult players, even when I'm supporting the worse side. Believe me, when you say a player is "shíte" you don't know well the meaning of the word "shíte".

Our players shouldn't be insulted because they're the ones  that will bring us the glory. A shitty player who's booed in the pitch, won't be any better. A shítty player that has the support of their crowd, will make less mistakes.

I know watching it in a pub is not the same as watching it in the pitch, but I think that respect to our players should be extended.

Not saying that we must say Kuyt is good or that he plays well when he doesn't. I'm saying that our players should never hear things like "cúnt", "bástard", or assume things like they're gifted the place in the team.

[Scottbot]

Was a very dissapointing loss particularly as we created so many chances. That 5 minute spell ealry in the 2nd half could have seen another 3-4 goals and you sensed it might not be our day. I'm quite surprised (actually i'm not surprised) to see quite so many idiots sticking the boot in or blaming substitions. That's football sometimes. I actually feel our best chance of going after the title this season is to be close to the top as apposed to leading from the front where the pressure it seems, it far greater. It is a long long season and all the good work has not been undone by one defeat.

[mistyred]

One defeat and it's a hang yourself time I could understand if we played cr@p and didn't look like scoring and couldn't put
two passes together but this was not the case.

We played extremely well and if the gods had been with us could have won that game by 5 clear goals, these things happen (Fa cup final Michael owen vs Arsenal) and that's just footbal and that's why we love it.

Last year and the year before we would have probably lost four games by now with no comebacks at all, we are so much improved it's bloody obvious to
see, all we need is two proper fullbacks and another goal scoring striker also a proper right winger and we WILL dominate the prem i strongly believe that.

But besides that i still think this team is good enough to win the prem i can feel it, Rafa knows what he want's the players know what's
needed and you can see it in them, Well most of them bar Dossena Beni and Babel sometimes, but by know means is this the end
we will as a team learn from this and move forward going from strength to strength.

[woof woof !]

I'm still getting over the disappointment.
Sucker punched in the first three minutes and for Spurs it was panic stations whenever we tested their defence, unfortunately having put them on the floor we failed to really go for the knockout in the opening 30 minutes and allowed Spurs to "get up" slowly regain some confidence and play their way back into the game.

Hopefully a lesson learned .

[stmichael]

Really really disappointed with that result.

Game should have been over after an hour. We just failed to kill them off when we had the chances. The lack of a killer instinct is evident when Torres doesn;t play.

Our consolation is that our next five games (West Brom, Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn, West Ham, Hull) are all very winnable.

[Bam]

Really really disappointed with that result.

Game should have been over after an hour. We just failed to kill them off when we had the chances. The lack of a killer instinct is evident when Torres doesn;t play.

Our consolation is that our next five games (West Brom, Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn, West Ham, Hull) are all very winnable.

Where did you nick that from ?   

[stmichael]

Really really disappointed with that result.

Game should have been over after an hour. We just failed to kill them off when we had the chances. The lack of a killer instinct is evident when Torres doesn;t play.

Our consolation is that our next five games (West Brom, Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn, West Ham, Hull) are all very winnable.

Where did you nick that from ?   

You should be a comedian

[tonyeh]

One defeat and it's a hang yourself time I could understand if we played cr@p and didn't look like scoring and couldn't put
two passes together but this was not the case.

It's not really the defeat that's the problem. It's the situation it presents Liverpool with that people are concerned with.

Chelsea are now back on top (never mind all this joint top bollox) and have a goal difference that will not be caught. They also have an easy ride of it until the Arsenal game.

[Bam]

Really really disappointed with that result.

Game should have been over after an hour. We just failed to kill them off when we had the chances. The lack of a killer instinct is evident when Torres doesn;t play.

Our consolation is that our next five games (West Brom, Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn, West Ham, Hull) are all very winnable.

Where did you nick that from ?   

You should be a comedian

You should write you're own stuff !

Why do you do it though, its not big, its not clever. And you almost always get caught out when you do it, then still have face to carry on. 

[mistyred]

Ino what your sayin Tony, but do you not feel we are in much better shape as a team? we do lack that killer touch not jiust upfront but
from the right of midfield and we need to address that in Jan that is a must and we need a quality replacement for torres when he's
not in the team as this will cost us but that said if Dirk had more pace i believe he would do the business he can score goals.

Once we get the team tunning right hopefully in Jan we can win the league.

[SouthCoastShankly]

In my opinion we can have no complaints whatsoever with the result. If you score one more goal and finish the game with the number of chances created in the second half alone you do not deserve to win, end of.

Saying this I do not think this will effect the squad so much, I fully expect us to bounce back strongly - especially considering our next 3 league games: West Brom (H), Bolton (A) and Fulham (H)

[Bad Bob]

It's pretty simple really.. tottenham changed their formation and setup to force us to play deeper within our own half and it worked a treat for them...

Reality check.  Spurs went to 4-4-2 at the start of the second half and promptly got overrun.  We looked far more dangerous in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half then we did in the whole of the first half and should have been out of sight by the time Carragher scored the OG.  That OG, by the way, was the reason the tide turned, not the Keane substitution.  We let them back into the game with that goal and gave them belief.  But for nearly 70 minutes, we were much the better team.

[tonyeh]

Ino what your sayin Tony, but do you not feel we are in much better shape as a team? we do lack that killer touch not jiust upfront but from the right of midfield and we need to address that in Jan that is a must and we need a quality replacement for torres when he's not in the team as this will cost us but that said if Dirk had more pace i believe he would do the business he can score goals.

Once we get the team tunning right hopefully in Jan we can win the league.

In general terms, Liverpool are stronger than they've been in years, yes. But if you lack attack and finishing, that doesn't matter a jot. They need to be getting the points against the likes of Spurs (no offence to Spurs mind you), because against the top four, it's touch and go. If a team in weak in finishing, it's a huge problem and Liverpool have been lucky (yes lucky) that it hasn't had a bigger impact than it's actually had this season.

I agree that the RM position needs to be sorted and I'd place Kuyt in a sub situation, to be called on when energy is needed.

I don't rate Kuyt as a reliable striker (yes I know he has 6 goals) and seems to be doing well, but a lot of his shots on goal are hit'n'hope affairs. The goal aganst Spurs was the only goal I recall as have some intent and real quality. The rest have been fortunate tap ins. That's not trying to take from the lad, it's honest, detached, observation.

I'd like to see a quality striker replacement for Torres' off days, I didn't think Keane was it (and was probably a panic buy), but I don't know what the realistic options would be. Can say anything about N'gog because I haven't seen him play, but Rafa doesn't seem bothered. Mind you, it's been rare that Liverpool have been in such a comfortable position that he would try him out.

The biggest problem for Liverpool this season will be the fact that Chelsea will not lose 4 or more games and that should be the bench mark if Liverpool are to clinch the title.

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I really don't understand how Rafa can be criticised for making a substitution which was roundly praised for working so well against Chelsea. Blame Babel for not turning up, blame the team for not taking their chances, but ffs how can Rafa be at fault for making a sub that in theory should have helped ease any pressure on our back line.