Liverpool FC Forum

[NANNY RED]

I read a great article last night on my way home from the game from a mag which lads sell outside the ground its a great read an one which i always buy. Anyway the article was about getting kids back in to support us an the price of a ticket for the games today. Looking at how much Spurs charged last night for a ticket in the coca cola cup its a disgrace an no wonder these kids are being priced out of the game.

The article basicly says we should be lowering the prices for kids in some of our games at home an we should always play at least one pre season friendly at home on a Saturday or even by turning the paddock into the old boys pen especialy on a carling cup night , just so these kids an our future support can get a taste an not be priced out of the market.

The article is spot on imo an the club needs to do this . Maybe a lot of people wont know where im coming from with this but last night i was talking to a lad whod brought his kid the game all in all with tickets and travel an food hed spent nearly 200 pound just for a coca cola cup game , Shocking an the sad thing was he has two lads an had to leave one of them at home he cant take them ever together to away games they have to take it in turns.

I know this could be locked by the mods as being drivell but reading that article an talking to that fella last night it just got to me .

I dont know if anyone on here has been priced out of taking there kids  the game but if yopu have i feel for you .

The article was written by the Editor of the Mag Red All Over The Land which is a great read for any red

[hello_red]

Nanny I would have to agree about the state of ticket prices and well football in general. People with kids, people who dont earn all that much (but work hard for it) are getting hounded out.

Its sad and in my opinion football is turning into a sport for the upper classes. Its a working class sport, always has been and always will be. FA, our own board and every other board in the land are in on this push for turning soccer into a global brand. At what expense? Its soul, every sport has its soul and it is currently being sold down the green river.

Rant over.

Actually one last thing... Football is no longer a sport, its the WWE. mass idiot entertainment. Is it a sport when a player like Ronaldo can sulk, moan and purposely miss chances himself into a pay rise..... 210,000 a week hes on now! And hes the biggest star in the game.

[RUSHIE#9]

This is one of the factors that is going to kill football in the future I believe.

At the moment every team and ruling body within football are whoring themselves around the corporate globe looking for that next multi-million pound, €uro or dollar sponsorship deal. One day these deals are going to dry up and that is when these clubs and ruling bodies are going to have limited places to turn to.

One of those places will be the fans but guess what, the people they've attracted to the game who are willing or able to pay the current over inflated ticket prices aint gonna be interested anymore cos football has been deserted by the corporate world in which they revel.

So who can they turn to next? The good old working class fan??
No, because the younger generation working class fans aren't there cos their parents couldn't afford to take them to the game, so they've never developed the real passion for going the game on a Saturday afternoon.

Football as an industry (especially in this country) need to wake up and realise that they need to start wooing the fans back that they have so readily fleeced over the past 15 years.

[hello_red]

This is one of the factors that is going to kill football in the future I believe.

At the moment every team and ruling body within football are whoring themselves around the corporate globe looking for that next multi-million pound, €uro or dollar sponsorship deal. One day these deals are going to dry up and that is when these clubs and ruling bodies are going to have limited places to turn to.

One of those places will be the fans but guess what, the people they've attracted to the game who are willing or able to pay the current over inflated ticket prices aint gonna be interested anymore cos football has been deserted by the corporate world in which they revel.

So who can they turn to next? The good old working class fan??
No, because the younger generation working class fans aren't there cos their parents couldn't afford to take them to the game, so they've never developed the real passion for going the game on a Saturday afternoon.

Football as an industry (especially in this country) need to wake up and realise that they need to start wooing the fans back that they have so readily fleeced over the past 15 years.

Yes!

To war!!!!!

Or maybe just a well worded strong letter to the relevent bodies maybe? 

[lakes10]

in truth i dont think big clubs care about kids going to the game, even if they say they do.

if you lok at clubs like southend they often let kids in free or for £5.
southend is a club that is low on money but they know that if they can get young fans into the ground after a few years they will start paying the full price as they grow up.

last year my mate took his son to a prem game, it cost him £25 for his son.

[redhayesy]

I read a great article last night on my way home from the game from a mag which lads sell outside the ground its a great read an one which i always buy. Anyway the article was about getting kids back in to support us an the price of a ticket for the games today. Looking at how much Spurs charged last night for a ticket in the coca cola cup its a disgrace an no wonder these kids are being priced out of the game.

The article basicly says we should be lowering the prices for kids in some of our games at home an we should always play at least one pre season friendly at home on a Saturday or even by turning the paddock into the old boys pen especialy on a carling cup night , just so these kids an our future support can get a taste an not be priced out of the market.

The article is spot on imo an the club needs to do this . Maybe a lot of people wont know where im coming from with this but last night i was talking to a lad whod brought his kid the game all in all with tickets and travel an food hed spent nearly 200 pound just for a coca cola cup game , Shocking an the sad thing was he has two lads an had to leave one of them at home he cant take them ever together to away games they have to take it in turns.

I know this could be locked by the mods as being drivell but reading that article an talking to that fella last night it just got to me .

I dont know if anyone on here has been priced out of taking there kids  the game but if yopu have i feel for you .

The article was written by the Editor of the Mag Red All Over The Land which is a great read for any red

great post NR i couldn"t agree more, for me taking my 14 year old son to the games these days is a luxury instead of being an affordable part of his education, & week in week out essential!!

in this day & age i think all clubs including ours should for certain games, or even recognising the fact with the credit crunch etc they need to for the short time being review the prices structure for ALL games, after all my son is the next generation of Lfc fan & so shouldn"t be deprived because their parents can"t afford to take them! (bl00dy hell i"m showing my age now when i can remember it only cost me £3.50 to stand on the kop  )

but i sincerly hope somthing is done to address the situation because clubs,even ours need to act before young & old become resentfull about paying money to watch their team.

although i will always find money to take my son to watch Lfc
it is becoming more difficult & only hope that it doesn"t remain a luxury to pick & choose games to go to as a result of ticket prices in the future.

[Owzat]

in truth i dont think big clubs care about kids going to the game, even if they say they do.

if you lok at clubs like southend they often let kids in free or for £5.
southend is a club that is low on money but they know that if they can get young fans into the ground after a few years they will start paying the full price as they grow up.

last year my mate took his son to a prem game, it cost him £25 for his son.

With the big clubs it is about money to pay for multimillion pound signings. The bigger clubs tend to sell out most home games so they don't need to worry about encouraging the kids in as future 'full price fans' because they come from all over to watch the best sides.

With the small clubs they have more problems getting crowds in so they have to try something to get more bums on seats. They know it's better to sell 500 seats at £5 a time than have them sat empty, the long term idea of getting kids hooked is very long term as most will be what 4-8 sort of age? They won't pay full price for some time.

The clubs are getting even more devious, the mancs have pushed their prices up since their takeover and I understand they now have to pay for some non-Premiership games as well.

The fan is being priced out of the game, I'm sure a lot will whinge but cough up anyway and because of the lack of follow up on people saying they won't pay it, and the number of fans waiting in the wings who will readily take their STs, the clubs can do more or less what they please. It's hard enough to get a ST, how many are going to give their's up and at what increase? £100 a season? £200 a season? £300 a season?

I've seen other fans often say the reason their ground isn't full is because the game is televised. It is defensive, it would be interesting though to see the relative attendences of televised and non-televised fixtures with all other parameters the same (time, day, sides involved, venue etc) That isn't really possible because any game not played on Saturday 3pm is bound to be on some TV channel.

Of course it is rather ironic fans should complain about ticket prices when we'd be complaining if our club wasn't spending millions on players and their wages, the money has to come from somewhere. The option is there to go and support a Southend or, as I'm sure is the case with a lot of Premiership fans, the real closest club and not just the nearest biggest in the top flight, nearest biggest in the football league, nearest biggest of any great size etc.

[LFC2007]

This is one of the factors that is going to kill football in the future I believe.

At the moment every team and ruling body within football are whoring themselves around the corporate globe looking for that next multi-million pound, €uro or dollar sponsorship deal. One day these deals are going to dry up and that is when these clubs and ruling bodies are going to have limited places to turn to.

One of those places will be the fans but guess what, the people they've attracted to the game who are willing or able to pay the current over inflated ticket prices aint gonna be interested anymore cos football has been deserted by the corporate world in which they revel.

Only a relatively small proportion of most top clubs' revenue comes through sponsorship deals (IIRC). I don't think they will be part a large part of the tipping point as far as the future of football finance goes. And besides, sponsorship deals vary proportionate to the level of interest in the game, so that will be the tipping point (before sponsorship follows). That depends on whether or not fans in the stands, or watching via TV subscription are prepared to bear the increasing costs.

[Leonmc0708]

I have missed a few games over the last year or so down to the price, on principal than not affording it. I refuse to pay £48 for Birmingham for instance and declined that game.

The fact that my missus is a good leveler helps, she often asks how much the tickets are and makes me realise that paying forty odd quid is just not feasile if its an ordinary leage game, or even worse a midweek London game that means I would need a day and a half off work.

I really do not beleive I am going to be able to take my as yet unborn sons to the match until the game implodes and the corporate cancer is cut out of the game we all love.

I really do think that within a few years big business will get fed up with piling money in, especially in the light of the worldwide economic crisis, and pull the plug, and like a house of cards it will crumble to almost extinction.

I for one cant wait, the day that the working class game returns to the open arms of the working class from whence it came, and the celebrity dies will be wonderful. The fact that sides like AFC Liverpool, FC United, Maine Road, AFC Wimbledon and lots of other lower league sides are seeing an increase in attendances and popularity is no surprise.

[Owzat]

The fact that sides like AFC Liverpool, FC United, Maine Road, AFC Wimbledon and lots of other lower league sides are seeing an increase in attendances and popularity is no surprise.

People want a definition of glory hunter, they normally look at fans of big clubs, but in fact you look at the difference in attendence when a small non-league club plays in their league and when they draw a league club or Premiership club in the FA Cup. Or when they progress in some small trophy and all the closet fans suddenly want tickets when they'd shown no interest before.

You tell me that those clubs won't up their prices according to the opposition. As I understand it the clubs agree prices, certainly how it comes across when Derby got p1ssed off with QPR for pushing their ticket prices up after they had agreed a price. If you think £48 is bad for Liverpool playing brum then think how bad £30-£40 is to watch QPR in a Championship game.

[KennyisGod....still]

£48 to watch Birmingham? £30 - £40 to watch Championship games? Ok, maybe not the best comparison, but when Scotland played Italy away last year the Italians charged a meagre 7 Euros!! (Remember, they're World Champions....) When we had them at Hampden we charged a minimum £25. Someone somewhere needs to look at it, and I refuse to believe it's a rip off that (esp the clubs) can continue.

I aint been to Anfield for a game for some time - quite simply can't afford to when you factor in travel, programmes, food and drink etc. Yet I have 2 jobs!! Yes, I could go watch a more local team, but havin been a Liverpool fan for like about 35 years why should I wanna spend my saturday afternoons at another ground? It's hard to believe the one thing that could make me go to Walsall/West Brom/Villa/Wolves etc is the very club I support!! I'll admit goin to Scotland aint cheap but I get a mini holiday with relatives out of it - somethin I can then justify the cost of. I can't justify spendin a similar amount of money for what could be a 90 minute bore fest of a game.

My lil boy's gonna start his education next year, but unless somethin changes the first few games'll be local ones so I know he's enjoyin it before I splash £ridiculous on a game. Wrong, jus wrong. 

[taff]

I reckon that LFC should with the new stadium make tickets available for the local primary schools to be given out for attendance, work etc etc. Even from a business point of view it strengthens the local bonds and produces future fans.  The reasoning behind whether a kid gets a ticket could be debated for ever but the main point of my argument is that in a bigger stadium about 500 tickets should go to local kids for whatever reasons and this should be done every week.

[Owzat]

I hope this goes well, otherwise it's just a very public and open invitation for other clubs to follow suit

Man Utd fans make ticket protest

Manchester United fans have complained to a government watchdog over the way the club treats season ticket holders.

Some supporters are unhappy that when renewing their season tickets, they are charged for FA Cup and Champions League tickets whether they want them or not.

And the Manchester United Supporters Trust wants the Office of Fair Trading to investigate whether the club have abused their market position.

When asked by the BBC Manchester United declined to comment on the matter.

In the past, United have defended their automatic cup ticket scheme (ACT).

The club now allow some opt-outs, for example from Carling Cup matches, following widespread anger towards the scheme among fans.

"The Supporters Trust argues the ACT has obliged fans to commit in advance to buy tickets to home FA Cup and Champions League matches when they renewing their season tickets for Premier League games," said BBC Radio 5 Live sports news correspondent Gordon Farquhar.

"Some fans are happy with the arrangements as they would otherwise have to buy the tickets separately, but others object to the practice.

"They say one issue is they don't know what how much the final price of their season tickets will be as that depends how far they will progress in the cup competitions.

"The OFT will now have to decide whether the fans' concerns are worthy of a formal investigation."

If clubs can ride roughshod over their fans and add in anything to ST renewals then it opens a whole can of worms. One quick way for the club to raise extra funds, not quite sure exactly how it works as you won't necessarily know how many cup rounds you will survive.

I'm guessing there's a 'good' chance the OFT will say that the club can do what it likes and the consumer/fan has the choice of not to renew/pay if they don't like the terms and conditions. Not entirely disimilar to my predicament with my dentist whose prices shot up by near enough double in only a few years and then my dentist himself retired and my new dentist thinks I need to go twice a year whereas my old dentist said I needed to go just once. So they're trying to stiff me for FOUR times what I paid before, probably due to the cost of them revamping the reception area. Nice to know reception cosmetics come before the customer's wallet. I have the choice to go elsewhere or insist I am only going once a year, but they changed the prices and I'm guessing OFT wouldn't do more than make a standard laid out response saying they offer a service and I have the choice to not use it.