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[Lando_Griffin]

he has spent more than wenger

similar amounts to fergie

and less than chelsea il give you that one

We've finished above Arsenal in all but Rafa's first season.

Ferguson spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his current team before Rafa arrived, so he didn't have to spend as much during Rafa's reign.

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[Sabre]

whats the point in this, comparing past managers who were a success, to one who isnt.
Dalglish Shanks and the rest all won the league title something RB will never do, hense failure, if we competed for it, it would be a start

Shut up you silly tart.

How can any manager who wins the Champions' League be a failure, numbskull?

I struggle with the concept of assuming that Rafa "will never win" and then a "hence" explaining the failure. Basically Rafa is condemned by a failure that still hasn't happened. The fact is Rafa was given a long contract to build a team and for some people the clock has stopped 2 years before that given time.


Sure, it's fair  to say that the old "Rafa has more knowledge than any of you" is not right. I agree that, we all come here to comment as fans. But surely people should agree to be realistic enough not to make 100% future predictions, such as "will never win the league?", because there's not much of a point in discussing that kind of argument neither. 

[LittleHobo]

strange response. So how long do we give him?
end of season, end of contract. give him another contract?
I did the march showing my loyalty to him. But enough is enough.

i just question his sanity

because if you did a poll, fans, fellow managers, ex players, pundits etc of who should start on current form to partner torres? kuyt, babel or crouch? kuyt would come bottom by a long way!

[Lando_Griffin]

strange response. So how long do we give him?
end of season, end of contract. give him another contract?
I did the march showing my loyalty to him. But enough is enough.

Well then you're a fickle fan. Simple as that, really.

I'd give him the 2 years Hicks has promised. 2 years of full support and financial backing.

2 years of "I like that player and really want him to play for us - Rick?" "OK Rafa - it's done."

[LittleHobo]

he has spent more than wenger

similar amounts to fergie

and less than chelsea il give you that one

We've finished above Arsenal in all but Rafa's first season.

Ferguson spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his current team before Rafa arrived, so he didn't have to spend as much during Rafa's reign.

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arsenal look like potential title winners now though

we dont

there is a diffrence

[DAV]

fair point SABRE- ok let me put it another way- I dont believe given 2 more years anything will change under RB.

[Lando_Griffin]

strange response. So how long do we give him?
end of season, end of contract. give him another contract?
I did the march showing my loyalty to him. But enough is enough.

i just question his sanity

because if you did a poll, fans, fellow managers, ex players, pundits etc of who should start on current form to partner torres? kuyt, babel or crouch? kuyt would come bottom by a long way!

Which is probably why you're not managing Liverpool.

Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, Rafa sees what each player gives in training, and picks according to that? An informed choice, perhaps?

No? I didn't think so.

[LittleHobo]

strange response. So how long do we give him?
end of season, end of contract. give him another contract?
I did the march showing my loyalty to him. But enough is enough.

i just question his sanity

because if you did a poll, fans, fellow managers, ex players, pundits etc of who should start on current form to partner torres? kuyt, babel or crouch? kuyt would come bottom by a long way!

Which is probably why you're not managing Liverpool.

Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, Rafa sees what each player gives in training, and picks according to that? An informed choice, perhaps?

No? I didn't think so.

lando would you pick kuyt ahead of crouch or babel on current form?

[Lando_Griffin]

he has spent more than wenger

similar amounts to fergie

and less than chelsea il give you that one

We've finished above Arsenal in all but Rafa's first season.

Ferguson spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his current team before Rafa arrived, so he didn't have to spend as much during Rafa's reign.

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arsenal look like potential title winners now though

we dont

there is a diffrence

We had the best form in the Premiership from October 2005 to May 2006. Forget this, did we?

[zarababe]

Sabe hits the nail and the rest admit what they really feel Bring in BIG SAM THAT'S what THESE DESERVE

GREAT POINTs BTW SABE

[Sabre]

And that's fair enough to say DAV. But right now, as a Liverpool fan, you're as angry as this  , and I can't blame you for that.

But when you're like this  is not the best moment to take decissions about the future of the manager. Leave those things for summer, with no competition.

[Lando_Griffin]

strange response. So how long do we give him?
end of season, end of contract. give him another contract?
I did the march showing my loyalty to him. But enough is enough.

i just question his sanity

because if you did a poll, fans, fellow managers, ex players, pundits etc of who should start on current form to partner torres? kuyt, babel or crouch? kuyt would come bottom by a long way!

Which is probably why you're not managing Liverpool.

Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, Rafa sees what each player gives in training, and picks according to that? An informed choice, perhaps?

No? I didn't think so.

lando would you pick kuyt ahead of crouch or babel on current form?

Personally, I'd pick the following:

                                     Reina

         Arbeloa       Carragher       Hyypia           Aurelio 

                           Mascherano

                                         Alonso
Gerrard                                                                 Kewell

                             Torres          Babel.


But that doesn't mean that I won't give Rafa the benefit of the doubt.

[LittleHobo]

he has spent more than wenger

similar amounts to fergie

and less than chelsea il give you that one

We've finished above Arsenal in all but Rafa's first season.

Ferguson spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his current team before Rafa arrived, so he didn't have to spend as much during Rafa's reign.

Next...

arsenal look like potential title winners now though

we dont

there is a diffrence

We had the best form in the Premiership from October 2005 to May 2006. Forget this, did we?

Lando how can you argue rafas corner on completely every decision he makes?

whats up with you?

even a blind dog can see that kuyt on current form wouldnt even get in derbys team

[burjennio]

DAV Posted on Jan. 31 2008,15:11
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i dont like your language or attitude.
On another thread someone has just wrote "it wernt good enough for GH and it aint good enough for RB".
Yes he won us the champions league "thanks for that RB" But we have not challenged for the league title in  all his years here. Going by the way we are playing this season- we wont now either. Does winning the champions league give him the right to manage our team indefinatley??

Surely getting to another CL final last season gives him a little more leeway? The team is still short of quality in a few positions that he needs to strengthen. It would be hard for any coach to be successful in the current climate at LFC, most would agree that for the 1st 10-15 games of the season, before all this crud happened, we were in with a shout of the title, how about we salvage this season as best we can, get 4th place nailed down, if we get close in one of the cups take it as a bonus. Started giving Lucus, Babel and Sketrl games to get them ready and fully blooded. Identify the weak positions and the "deadwood" (we've all done it anyway, just get it amputated once and for all) Invest in the positions that need strengthened ( wings, fulllback, forwards) get the club in harmony again and see how far he can take us. If then he cant get us at least close then fair enough, its time for a change, but FFS no could be seriously judged on how this season has turned out so far, were all hurting folks, but i think I step back and a proper analysis of the situation is needed

[Lando_Griffin]

he has spent more than wenger

similar amounts to fergie

and less than chelsea il give you that one

We've finished above Arsenal in all but Rafa's first season.

Ferguson spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his current team before Rafa arrived, so he didn't have to spend as much during Rafa's reign.

Next...

arsenal look like potential title winners now though

we dont

there is a diffrence

We had the best form in the Premiership from October 2005 to May 2006. Forget this, did we?

Lando how can you argue rafas corner on completely every decision he makes?

whats up with you?

even a blind dog can see that kuyt on current form wouldnt even get in derbys team

I'm sure if you re-read the post you've quoted, you'll realise your mistake.