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[JoeTerp]

Right Joe. I retire my 4-0 offer. It's going to be a 5-0 in our 4th encounter.

As long as I get to strip search some Spanish women in a steam room   

(in order to make up for the horrible things that we fabricated you lot doing    )

[Sabre]

Right Joe. I retire my 4-0 offer. It's going to be a 5-0 in our 4th encounter.

As long as I get to strip search some Spanish women in a steam room   

(in order to make up for the horrible things that we fabricated you lot doing    )

Yes, I did read the yellow press of the time. Quite simply you wanted a war, and the press pushed the public opinion for it.

Mind you, the Spanish press was not much better. So outraged was the people of Spain with those Americans, that we had *one million* volunteers in Madrid to fight you. My grand grand dad between them.

Fortunately enough, the decaying Spanish navy didn't have ships to bring the million Spaniards to Cuba, so you see, had the war last longer or Spain had a better navy, my grand grand dad could have died there.

So technicaly Americans are also guilty of Guantanamo and me spamming this forum. 

[JoeTerp]

Yes, I did read the yellow press of the time. Quite simply you wanted a war, and the press pushed the public opinion for it.

Mind you, the Spanish press was not much better. So outraged was the people of Spain with those Americans, that we had *one million* volunteers in Madrid to fight you. My grand grand dad between them.

Fortunately enough, the decaying Spanish navy didn't have ships to bring the million Spaniards to Cuba, so you see, had the war last longer or Spain had a better navy, my grand grand dad could have died there.

So technicaly Americans are also guilty of Guantanamo and me spamming this forum. 

Times haven't changed




I thought the Spanish had the best navy in the world?  Oh yea, then 1588 happened 

Such a fall from the glory days

(those portuguese don't seem to like traveling too far inland     )

[Bad Bob]

Yes, I did read the yellow press of the time. Quite simply you wanted a war, and the press pushed the public opinion for it.

Mind you, the Spanish press was not much better. So outraged was the people of Spain with those Americans, that we had *one million* volunteers in Madrid to fight you. My grand grand dad between them.

Fortunately enough, the decaying Spanish navy didn't have ships to bring the million Spaniards to Cuba, so you see, had the war last longer or Spain had a better navy, my grand grand dad could have died there.

So technicaly Americans are also guilty of Guantanamo and me spamming this forum. 

Times haven't changed




I thought the Spanish had the best navy in the world?  Oh yea, then 1588 happened 

Such a fall from the glory days

(those portuguese don't seem to like traveling too far inland     )

The Spanish empire was all about intimate, face-to-face, autocratic control of the native civilizations they were exploiting.  Whereas the Portuguese were a lot more lackadaisical about it all: show up, through up a few coastal trading posts and let the goods (spices mostly) come to them.  Of course, their laid-back approach made them easy to oust...as the Dutch successfully managed in the Moluccas.

[heimdall]

Yes, I did read the yellow press of the time. Quite simply you wanted a war, and the press pushed the public opinion for it.

Mind you, the Spanish press was not much better. So outraged was the people of Spain with those Americans, that we had *one million* volunteers in Madrid to fight you. My grand grand dad between them.

Fortunately enough, the decaying Spanish navy didn't have ships to bring the million Spaniards to Cuba, so you see, had the war last longer or Spain had a better navy, my grand grand dad could have died there.

So technicaly Americans are also guilty of Guantanamo and me spamming this forum. 

Times haven't changed




I thought the Spanish had the best navy in the world?  Oh yea, then 1588 happened 

Such a fall from the glory days

(those portuguese don't seem to like traveling too far inland     )

The Spanish empire was all about intimate, face-to-face, autocratic control of the native civilizations they were exploiting.  Whereas the Portuguese were a lot more lackadaisical about it all: show up, through up a few coastal trading posts and let the goods (spices mostly) come to them.  Of course, their laid-back approach made them easy to oust...as the Dutch successfully managed in the Moluccas.

I've still never had a satisfactory answer to how the Portugese managed to take the biggest country in South America, i.e Brazil. Tiny little fartknocker nation like Portugal, mind you for a while the Vikings dominated most of northern Europe so I guess things were different and easier in days gone past.

[Bad Bob]

I've still never had a satisfactory answer to how the Portugese managed to take the biggest country in South America, i.e Brazil. Tiny little fartknocker nation like Portugal, mind you for a while the Vikings dominated most of northern Europe so I guess things were different and easier in days gone past.

It was probably due to the fact that, until very recently, Brazil was a big country on paper only.**  How many Portuguese, or Brazilians for that matter, have ventured more than 20 miles into the interior?  And for what?  All the action's on the coast, which was certainly fine with the Portuguese.  Eventually, some men in wigs must have sat down with some dodgy maps in some European capital somewhere and decided that all that territory might as well be part of Brazil rather than, say, Suriname or Venezuela or Peru but I doubt that had anything much to do with the people living along the coast.  Ahh, colonialism.   

Cue Reg to come in and prove me completely wrong...


**Incidentally, in case you were wondering, Portugal originally laid claim to Brazil thanks to the Pope.  In 1494 the Vatican didn't like the idea of two Catholic, Iberian nations fighting it out in the far corners of the world so they came up with the Treaty of Tordesillas--which involved picking a line from the top to bottom of the world map and saying that anything west of the line was Spanish and anything east of the line was Portuguese.  The line bisected present-day Brazil but with most of the coast to its east, making Brazil Portuguese.  Continuing the line on the other side of the globe meant that the Spice Islands (Moluccas/East Indies) were Portuguese but the Philippines were Spanish.

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[Parkinson]

Nice History lesson here, a little while after that the British with all their might swooped the Falklands.

[Sabre]

Yes in the Tratado de Tordesillas



You can read that west line is for us, and east for Portugal. Also dictated that in the north they'd be cráp playing football while in the south (Spanish influence) they would be good at it.

[The Good Yank]

The US v Spain matchup is the one I've been hoping to see and I can't believe we'll get to watch it.  Of course I think Spain will torch the US pretty easily, but one thing to consider.  Onyewu was the CB for Standard Liege in the preliminary round and over the two legs he did a pretty impressive job marking Torres in those two matches. 

If the US can keep all XI men on the pitch they could make a game of it.  Say something like Spain 2-0 final.  However keeping XI on the pitch is something the US struggles horribly with, and with the talent of the Spanish midfielders and their shifty playmaking I think fear for yet another silly late challenge which will lead into yet another first half sending off.  Final, Spain 4 - 0 winners.

[Alex G.]

Congrats Joe! you must be the only "gringo" who knows where is really Spain (Europe) and not between Mexico and Guatemala.

[JoeTerp]

Congrats Joe! you must be the only "gringo" who knows where is really Spain (Europe) and not between Mexico and Guatemala.

"gringo" is quite an interesting word. wiki says it comes from Griego, which is very interesting because of the phrase "its Greek to me," meaning that both languages can use Greek to apply to any kind of foreigner.

And then of course the word is considered "offensive slang" in the American Heritage dictionary, and not in the Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española. 

My spanish teacher told me it came from the Mexican-American war, and that it came from the Mexicans inability to say "green coat" in English. But this is ridiculous because the US wore Blue then, and the Mexicans wore green.

[Alex G.]

Congrats Joe! you must be the only "gringo" who knows where is really Spain (Europe) and not between Mexico and Guatemala.

"gringo" is quite an interesting word. wiki says it comes from Griego, which is very interesting because of the phrase "its Greek to me," meaning that both languages can use Greek to apply to any kind of foreigner.

And then of course the word is considered "offensive slang" in the American Heritage dictionary, and not in the Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española. 

My spanish teacher told me it came from the Mexican-American war, and that it came from the Mexicans inability to say "green coat" in English. But this is ridiculous because the US wore Blue then, and the Mexicans wore green.

Actually in Spain we do not use the word "gringo" to name the u.s.a americans.
That´s more from Mexico and Southamerica. Yes, I think it´s a bit despective, but now is very generalised.
Here, we call you "americano" or "yanqui", not yonqui (drugs addict guy). 

[Sabre]

Joe, I doubt the theory it has a Spanish root or it comes from greek. It's true that the first bibles were greek, and there was a latin expression that said "graecum est, non potest legi", but I actually believe the word comes from the wars with the mexicans because in Spain we never called you gringos.

The most likely theory to me says that one military song you sang started as "Green Grow the lilacs", and from there, the mexicans called you Green gos -> gringo.

The good Yank says

The US v Spain matchup is the one I've been hoping to see and I can't believe we'll get to watch it.  Of course I think Spain will torch the US pretty easily, but one thing to consider.

Bradley your coach thinks otherwise and MARCA highlights his words "We know how to stop Spain".

I think those words are a mistake. Not because USA can't stop Spain (they did well enough in a narrow pitch like El Sardinero), but because that puts extra pressure on your players.

I don't expect it to be an easy game whatsoever.

[JoeTerp]

We kept it scoreless for 77 minutes in Madrid only a year ago. Now we are on neutral soil

But both our Captain and best holding midfielder are out injured.

I think Altidore might have a lot of motivation to show Santi and Capdevilla that he should have played more often. His side moved on and Rossi's did not   Looks like Joey Ross picked the wrong country

Wikietymology

only youtube evidence I can find of last summer's match  so far.

[Sabre]

No mate, that game was in Santander. I'm pretty sure of that.

The difference is that Santander stadium is 68m in width, and Madrid 72m (same as Barcelona). When you play the kind of football Barcelona or Spain plays, those 4m or more of difference have A LOT of importance.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a excuse, that game was well played by the USA and I even remember a very good chance of them. But I do think that a narrower pitch doesn't make any favour to the football Spain plays.