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Postby simon because » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:08 am

AussieKopite wrote:
simon because wrote:I can count on one hand how many decent posts you have made John!!

I've been reading this forum for a while

Aurelio is getting better.

Its nice that a probationary member feels the need to slag everyone off.

Unless you were banned previously and you've got a new account, I don't think you have been reading that long...

Thats very unfair sheila
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Postby Toffeehater » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:38 am

Arbeloa is sh!te and i don't want him near the first 16 at all . Aurelio is improving slightly and he did well against the mancs , i think though i'd prefer riise for now , yes he's not been getting the goals but he ahs been better defensively , more experienced in the league and this is what my back four will be till next season whr i feel we need a right back like daniel alves . Reina had abit of a shocker , he was intimidated but he's a top keeper not the best yet but top 5 at least , every keeper has a bad day . without teina's saves today it could have been 8-0 , he saved 3 from rooney , 2 from ronaldo and a couple more , good keeper , clamed his nerves down in the 2nd half .
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Postby radun5 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:09 am

stmichael wrote:Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

I was under the impression Sagnol was at Bayern

It is good that Arsenal went for that old bloke

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Postby Toffeehater » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:44 am

stmichael wrote:Our full backs are just not good enough at offering an attacking threat. The traditional winger is a thing of the past now as its the full backs in the modern game that offer the width and its this department we are miles behind the top 3 in.

Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

Man United have Evra.

Chelsea have Ashley Cole.

All three teams have one thing in common and that is they have at least one full back who is fast, over laps the player in front of him and is able to deliver a cross. Aurellio, Arbeloa, Finnan and Riise are our first team full backs and none of them are blessed with pace. The modern game requires you to have pace throughout the whole team and yesterday it was evident more then ever that you need your full backs to provide you with width to help stretch the opposition.

Man United looked dangerous on almost every attack because Evra was bombing forward at every opportunity and this left our full back exposed. The manc goal was scored from a full back who had got forward, stayed there and got on the end of a cross.

We need to be able to stretch teams and especially using our current formation none of our current first team full backs are good enough and in the summer better replacements need to be found.

Evra had an easy game because he was only faced with Dirk Kuyt but would he have had it as easy if it was Alves running at him as well. He would have had to think again about bombing forward all the time but instead he had a free run.

:laugh: Sagnol is at bayern mate , arsenal only sign youngsters , now its sagna hurry edit it before someone else notices  :laugh:
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Postby radun5 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:39 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
stmichael wrote:Our full backs are just not good enough at offering an attacking threat. The traditional winger is a thing of the past now as its the full backs in the modern game that offer the width and its this department we are miles behind the top 3 in.

Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

Man United have Evra.

Chelsea have Ashley Cole.

All three teams have one thing in common and that is they have at least one full back who is fast, over laps the player in front of him and is able to deliver a cross. Aurellio, Arbeloa, Finnan and Riise are our first team full backs and none of them are blessed with pace. The modern game requires you to have pace throughout the whole team and yesterday it was evident more then ever that you need your full backs to provide you with width to help stretch the opposition.

Man United looked dangerous on almost every attack because Evra was bombing forward at every opportunity and this left our full back exposed. The manc goal was scored from a full back who had got forward, stayed there and got on the end of a cross.

We need to be able to stretch teams and especially using our current formation none of our current first team full backs are good enough and in the summer better replacements need to be found.

Evra had an easy game because he was only faced with Dirk Kuyt but would he have had it as easy if it was Alves running at him as well. He would have had to think again about bombing forward all the time but instead he had a free run.

:laugh: Sagnol is at bayern mate , arsenal only sign youngsters , now its sagna hurry edit it before someone else notices  :laugh:

Beat you by at least 30 minutes  :rasp
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Postby Toffeehater » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:43 pm

well aren't we in a race eh?
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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:46 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
stmichael wrote:Our full backs are just not good enough at offering an attacking threat. The traditional winger is a thing of the past now as its the full backs in the modern game that offer the width and its this department we are miles behind the top 3 in.

Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

Man United have Evra.

Chelsea have Ashley Cole.

All three teams have one thing in common and that is they have at least one full back who is fast, over laps the player in front of him and is able to deliver a cross. Aurellio, Arbeloa, Finnan and Riise are our first team full backs and none of them are blessed with pace. The modern game requires you to have pace throughout the whole team and yesterday it was evident more then ever that you need your full backs to provide you with width to help stretch the opposition.

Man United looked dangerous on almost every attack because Evra was bombing forward at every opportunity and this left our full back exposed. The manc goal was scored from a full back who had got forward, stayed there and got on the end of a cross.

We need to be able to stretch teams and especially using our current formation none of our current first team full backs are good enough and in the summer better replacements need to be found.

Evra had an easy game because he was only faced with Dirk Kuyt but would he have had it as easy if it was Alves running at him as well. He would have had to think again about bombing forward all the time but instead he had a free run.

:laugh: Sagnol is at bayern mate , arsenal only sign youngsters , now its sagna hurry edit it before someone else notices  :laugh:

:blush:

i meant sagna obviously, the guy with the sh#'t hair. :D
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:03 pm

stmichael wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
stmichael wrote:Our full backs are just not good enough at offering an attacking threat. The traditional winger is a thing of the past now as its the full backs in the modern game that offer the width and its this department we are miles behind the top 3 in.

Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

Man United have Evra.

Chelsea have Ashley Cole.

All three teams have one thing in common and that is they have at least one full back who is fast, over laps the player in front of him and is able to deliver a cross. Aurellio, Arbeloa, Finnan and Riise are our first team full backs and none of them are blessed with pace. The modern game requires you to have pace throughout the whole team and yesterday it was evident more then ever that you need your full backs to provide you with width to help stretch the opposition.

Man United looked dangerous on almost every attack because Evra was bombing forward at every opportunity and this left our full back exposed. The manc goal was scored from a full back who had got forward, stayed there and got on the end of a cross.

We need to be able to stretch teams and especially using our current formation none of our current first team full backs are good enough and in the summer better replacements need to be found.

Evra had an easy game because he was only faced with Dirk Kuyt but would he have had it as easy if it was Alves running at him as well. He would have had to think again about bombing forward all the time but instead he had a free run.

:laugh: Sagnol is at bayern mate , arsenal only sign youngsters , now its sagna hurry edit it before someone else notices  :laugh:

:blush:

i meant sagna obviously, the guy with the sh#'t hair. :D

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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:11 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Arbeloa is sh!te and i don't want him near the first 16 at all . Aurelio is improving slightly and he did well against the mancs , i think though i'd prefer riise for now , yes he's not been getting the goals but he ahs been better defensively , more experienced in the league and this is what my back four will be till next season whr i feel we need a right back like daniel alves .
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A bit harsh on Arbeloa there mate. He was one of our best performers earlier on in the season. Ok he may not be first choice on either side, although he should get better with time.

On Carragher, he's clearly suffered from playing with a different partner week in week out. Infact not only has he not had a settled partner he's also had fullbacks chopping and changing all over the place.

I'm not even sure I could name our best two fullbacks, they all have their merits and disadvantages. We need two clear choices. That's not a criticism of rotation, it's an observation that those are two of our weakest positions. Finnan's form this season is more worrying for me than Carra's to be honest, although injuries and the same problem of an unsettled defence have obviously taken their toll. Riise has been in very poor form for some time. Aurelio is often injured or returning from injury.
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Postby Judge » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:55 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
stmichael wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
stmichael wrote:Our full backs are just not good enough at offering an attacking threat. The traditional winger is a thing of the past now as its the full backs in the modern game that offer the width and its this department we are miles behind the top 3 in.

Arsenal have Clichy and Sagnol.

Man United have Evra.

Chelsea have Ashley Cole.

All three teams have one thing in common and that is they have at least one full back who is fast, over laps the player in front of him and is able to deliver a cross. Aurellio, Arbeloa, Finnan and Riise are our first team full backs and none of them are blessed with pace. The modern game requires you to have pace throughout the whole team and yesterday it was evident more then ever that you need your full backs to provide you with width to help stretch the opposition.

Man United looked dangerous on almost every attack because Evra was bombing forward at every opportunity and this left our full back exposed. The manc goal was scored from a full back who had got forward, stayed there and got on the end of a cross.

We need to be able to stretch teams and especially using our current formation none of our current first team full backs are good enough and in the summer better replacements need to be found.

Evra had an easy game because he was only faced with Dirk Kuyt but would he have had it as easy if it was Alves running at him as well. He would have had to think again about bombing forward all the time but instead he had a free run.

:laugh: Sagnol is at bayern mate , arsenal only sign youngsters , now its sagna hurry edit it before someone else notices  :laugh:

:blush:

i meant sagna obviously, the guy with the sh#'t hair. :D

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sh'it hair  :D
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Postby AussieKopite » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:17 am

Toffeehater wrote:Arbeloa is sh!te and i don't want him near the first 16 at all . Aurelio is improving slightly and he did well against the mancs , i think though i'd prefer riise for now , yes he's not been getting the goals but he ahs been better defensively , more experienced in the league and this is what my back four will be till next season whr i feel we need a right back like daniel alves . Reina had abit of a shocker , he was intimidated but he's a top keeper not the best yet but top 5 at least , every keeper has a bad day . without teina's saves today it could have been 8-0 , he saved 3 from rooney , 2 from ronaldo and a couple more , good keeper , clamed his nerves down in the 2nd half .
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We have to work out if Arbeloa is :censored: because of a di[p in form and confidence, or is it because he's rubbish?

I'm tempted to go with the form explanation.
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Postby Judge » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:46 am

arbeloa would do well in the spanish 2nd division
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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:49 am

thought the defence were absolutely outstanding yesterday, even though i don't like carragher at full back. skrtel and hyypia (who defies his years) won absolutely everything in the air and in the end the yak was getting so frustrated that he should have been booked for dissent. riise also had one of his better games.
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Postby andy_g » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:56 am

yep, the defence as a whole had an excellent game yesterday and it keeps reminding me that the day sammi hangs up his boots is going to be a sad day for the club. the guy is simply immense.

i hope we don't see too much more of carragher at right back though. i'm sure he wasn't the only possible option yesterday and despite the excellence of hyypia and skrtel i felt he was being unfairly shunted out of his best position. if you have 3 good options for centre back with 3 massive games coming up why play them all for 90 minutes?

carragher, being the player he is, made a good job of right back (as he always used too) and is keen to bomb up the pitch now and again - as he needs to with this formation - but you can see the nosebleed kicking in everytime he gets near the last third.
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Postby Toffeehater » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:01 am

AussieKopite wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Arbeloa is sh!te and i don't want him near the first 16 at all . Aurelio is improving slightly and he did well against the mancs , i think though i'd prefer riise for now , yes he's not been getting the goals but he ahs been better defensively , more experienced in the league and this is what my back four will be till next season whr i feel we need a right back like daniel alves . Reina had abit of a shocker , he was intimidated but he's a top keeper not the best yet but top 5 at least , every keeper has a bad day . without teina's saves today it could have been 8-0 , he saved 3 from rooney , 2 from ronaldo and a couple more , good keeper , clamed his nerves down in the 2nd half .
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Finnan            Carra          Agger              Riise

We have to work out if Arbeloa is :censored: because of a di[p in form and confidence, or is it because he's rubbish?

I'm tempted to go with the form explanation.

sorry lads i'm tempted to go with the latter , at best he only warrants a place on the bench , to be used for cover for injuries or rotation .
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