Liverpool FC Forum

[Fo Dne]

Money is a valid reason for not winning the Premiership, that's why Reading will never win it. That said, barring the Arabs taking over and going stupid, the money situation isn't going to change anytime in the near future so does this mean we are going to have to accept the fact that we will never ever challenge for the title again?

I think we've now proven that given our resources, it is impossible to build two teams at the same time which can compete with the bigger spenders. Perhaps it's time to build just the one team and concentrate our money and efforts on that. It's got to be worth a go lets be honest.

well big mick i think that this is where a manager has to make a decision and this is where the fine line is... if you build one team, you're taking alot of risks especially if you're in multiple competitions... an injury to one or two key players and you will pay the price dearly...and in modern day football injuries will happen... the reality of not even finishing 4th will then become a real possibility... building a squad with more options and possibilities like rafa is doing now gives you more insurance... it might make the probability of winning the league less... but it also prevents the team from suffering a total failure... and for a club like Liverpool not qualifying for the champion's league is an absolute disaster... this is surely the predicament that rafa is facing right now... Liverpool with so much tradition and pedigree demands for competing for the title with the rest of the elite... at the same time we are not up there with the mancs and the chelseas in terms of financial muscle and therefore cannot afford to miss out on the champions league...

The fact is he's been here four years.

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

We've had nothing since then thats come in and made you think, yes, we're going in the right direction...

A few years ago we were an excellent side a couple of players away, now we're a about 5 or 6 away again. Its a joke.

[maguskwt]

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

Defence, Daniel Agger and now Skrtel?

in the middle, Alonso (which you already mentioned), Mascherano, Lucas.

Left Back, Arbeloa who given time will be as good as Finnan. Besides Finnan is still good so why are you blaming rafa for still using him?

Right back, you're kinda correct here. But rafa did get Aurelio to cover for riise and he was doing well up until his injury. And we did try to get Heinze.

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

as far as I know we still have a very good defensive record... third best in the league behind Man U and Chelsea (now that says something isn't it...  )

[lakes10]

Rafa still spent 150 mil on a team that he says can not win the prem with.

[Leonmc0708]

The only one who looks to a decent Standard is Paul Anderson, the rest look , to be quite blunt.

According to your teletext ?

Try watching the reserves a few times before you suggest none of them are any good.

I am pretty sure that 6/7 of them will play first team football in England/Italy/Spain in the next few years.

[Leonmc0708]

Kitson could do it at any level, obviously he'd have to learn extra tactical discipline's but he's an excellent forward with alot of good attributes, he drops deep well and links play well aswell as being good with his back to goal, he's a similar level of player to Ashton but different, he's more mobile while still having a good (not as good as Ashton) physical presence, I also think he'd be more suited to playing along side Torres, he can also link well with midfiielders which would help get alot out of Gerrard.

Some people want you banned again, but with comedy input like this, I think you should stay lad.

[Leonmc0708]

Money is a valid reason for not winning the Premiership, that's why Reading will never win it. That said, barring the Arabs taking over and going stupid, the money situation isn't going to change anytime in the near future so does this mean we are going to have to accept the fact that we will never ever challenge for the title again?

I think we've now proven that given our resources, it is impossible to build two teams at the same time which can compete with the bigger spenders. Perhaps it's time to build just the one team and concentrate our money and efforts on that. It's got to be worth a go lets be honest.

well big mick i think that this is where a manager has to make a decision and this is where the fine line is... if you build one team, you're taking alot of risks especially if you're in multiple competitions... an injury to one or two key players and you will pay the price dearly...and in modern day football injuries will happen... the reality of not even finishing 4th will then become a real possibility... building a squad with more options and possibilities like rafa is doing now gives you more insurance... it might make the probability of winning the league less... but it also prevents the team from suffering a total failure... and for a club like Liverpool not qualifying for the champion's league is an absolute disaster... this is surely the predicament that rafa is facing right now... Liverpool with so much tradition and pedigree demands for competing for the title with the rest of the elite... at the same time we are not up there with the mancs and the chelseas in terms of financial muscle and therefore cannot afford to miss out on the champions league...

The fact is he's been here four years.

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

We've had nothing since then thats come in and made you think, yes, we're going in the right direction...

A few years ago we were an excellent side a couple of players away, now we're a about 5 or 6 away again. Its a joke.

Finnan and Riise are not "in the first team, and Sami only plays this much cus of injuries.

[Leonmc0708]

Rafa still spent 150 mil on a team that he says can not win the prem with.

Thanks for that, informative and innovative look on the situation. Great.

[66-1112520797]

Kitson could do it at any level, obviously he'd have to learn extra tactical discipline's but he's an excellent forward with alot of good attributes, he drops deep well and links play well aswell as being good with his back to goal, he's a similar level of player to Ashton but different, he's more mobile while still having a good (not as good as Ashton) physical presence, I also think he'd be more suited to playing along side Torres, he can also link well with midfiielders which would help get alot out of Gerrard.

Some people want you banned again, but with comedy input like this, I think you should stay lad.

He talks more football on here than you do sarcasm ..... lad.

[LFC2007]

Rafa still spent 150 mil on a team that he says can not win the prem with.

Thanks for that, informative and innovative look on the situation. Great.

[Bad Bob]

One more point I'd like to make, everyone is saying about Chelsea this and Chelsea that, well unless I watch a different Liverpool side to rest of you, I saw Liverpool dominante 180 minutes against Chelsea this year in the league.

Thats because of average gant...... If mourinho was still at chelsea...they would have won the league cup and be leading the premier league now.....

Yeah money is not the only stuff....but it does help a club if they have a sh1t load of it....

its a combination ...good manager  + good players + $$$ = you are the champ.

Setanta flashed up some numbers during the Chelsea-Boro game the other day showing that Grant's record is actually much better than Mourinho's over the same number of games.  I can't remember what timeframe they were comparing but the numbers were staggering.  The Count's got it spectacularly wrong on occasion--the Carling Cup for instance--but he's actually done a very good job of keeping them on course and the egos relatively happy since Mourinho left.

[Fo Dne]

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

Defence, Daniel Agger and now Skrtel?

in the middle, Alonso (which you already mentioned), Mascherano, Lucas.

Left Back, Arbeloa who given time will be as good as Finnan. Besides Finnan is still good so why are you blaming rafa for still using him?

Right back, you're kinda correct here. But rafa did get Aurelio to cover for riise and he was doing well up until his injury. And we did try to get Heinze.

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

as far as I know we still have a very good defensive record... third best in the league behind Man U and Chelsea (now that says something isn't it...  )

Daniel Agger is certainly not an improvent on Sami and Skrtel will never play in a league winning side.

Alonso and Mascherano aren't an improvement on what we already had in Gerrard and Hamann.

Arbeloa isn't a patch on Finnan. Another pathetic "give him years and he'll improve" arguement.

You also don't seem to understand the difference in right and left back.

As for our defensive record, they have Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano infront of them aswell as a top keeper behind them.

[Fo Dne]

Money is a valid reason for not winning the Premiership, that's why Reading will never win it. That said, barring the Arabs taking over and going stupid, the money situation isn't going to change anytime in the near future so does this mean we are going to have to accept the fact that we will never ever challenge for the title again?

I think we've now proven that given our resources, it is impossible to build two teams at the same time which can compete with the bigger spenders. Perhaps it's time to build just the one team and concentrate our money and efforts on that. It's got to be worth a go lets be honest.

well big mick i think that this is where a manager has to make a decision and this is where the fine line is... if you build one team, you're taking alot of risks especially if you're in multiple competitions... an injury to one or two key players and you will pay the price dearly...and in modern day football injuries will happen... the reality of not even finishing 4th will then become a real possibility... building a squad with more options and possibilities like rafa is doing now gives you more insurance... it might make the probability of winning the league less... but it also prevents the team from suffering a total failure... and for a club like Liverpool not qualifying for the champion's league is an absolute disaster... this is surely the predicament that rafa is facing right now... Liverpool with so much tradition and pedigree demands for competing for the title with the rest of the elite... at the same time we are not up there with the mancs and the chelseas in terms of financial muscle and therefore cannot afford to miss out on the champions league...

The fact is he's been here four years.

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

We've had nothing since then thats come in and made you think, yes, we're going in the right direction...

A few years ago we were an excellent side a couple of players away, now we're a about 5 or 6 away again. Its a joke.

Finnan and Riise are not "in the first team, and Sami only plays this much cus of injuries.

The players he's brought in aren't anywhere near as good.

[Fo Dne]

Kitson could do it at any level, obviously he'd have to learn extra tactical discipline's but he's an excellent forward with alot of good attributes, he drops deep well and links play well aswell as being good with his back to goal, he's a similar level of player to Ashton but different, he's more mobile while still having a good (not as good as Ashton) physical presence, I also think he'd be more suited to playing along side Torres, he can also link well with midfiielders which would help get alot out of Gerrard.

Some people want you banned again, but with comedy input like this, I think you should stay lad.

The slating I got off you for daring to suggest Kuyt wasn't upto it was comedy. I seem to remember you saying something similar when I said that, you ended up  looking like what  you are with that one as well.

Nuff said.

[Emerald Red]

Money is a valid reason for not winning the Premiership, that's why Reading will never win it. That said, barring the Arabs taking over and going stupid, the money situation isn't going to change anytime in the near future so does this mean we are going to have to accept the fact that we will never ever challenge for the title again?

I think we've now proven that given our resources, it is impossible to build two teams at the same time which can compete with the bigger spenders. Perhaps it's time to build just the one team and concentrate our money and efforts on that. It's got to be worth a go lets be honest.

well big mick i think that this is where a manager has to make a decision and this is where the fine line is... if you build one team, you're taking alot of risks especially if you're in multiple competitions... an injury to one or two key players and you will pay the price dearly...and in modern day football injuries will happen... the reality of not even finishing 4th will then become a real possibility... building a squad with more options and possibilities like rafa is doing now gives you more insurance... it might make the probability of winning the league less... but it also prevents the team from suffering a total failure... and for a club like Liverpool not qualifying for the champion's league is an absolute disaster... this is surely the predicament that rafa is facing right now... Liverpool with so much tradition and pedigree demands for competing for the title with the rest of the elite... at the same time we are not up there with the mancs and the chelseas in terms of financial muscle and therefore cannot afford to miss out on the champions league...

The fact is he's been here four years.

Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Gerrard were all here anyway, yet all of them are still in our first team, or there abouts. Hyypia is still in and around the team aswell. Why haven't these positions been sorted?

We've left it till Finn's is on his last legs and Riise's up his form and Hyypia's about to retire, that defence over the last four years was something to build on, the signings of Reina and Alonso were excellent progress... but then what?

We've had nothing since then thats come in and made you think, yes, we're going in the right direction...

A few years ago we were an excellent side a couple of players away, now we're a about 5 or 6 away again. Its a joke.

Finnan and Riise are not "in the first team, and Sami only plays this much cus of injuries.

The players he's brought in aren't anywhere near as good.

Skrtel and Agger aren't nearly as good? Have you got a crystal ball there beside you or something?

Some people, honest to God, they sit there on their seats at home behind a PC screen and talk as if they know better than a man who's in charge of one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Most probably haven't even kicked a ball, yet they talk a good game.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

The only 3 times Rafa has been able to by players worth more than 10 mill are Alonso, Mascherano and Torres he has bought very wisely.

Are we fogetting Babel and Kuyt then? Guess we are.