The squad, is it thin? if it is...... - Is it anyones fault?

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Postby bigmick » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:10 pm

We all have our opinions on the squad, but most people are saying we could really do with such and such, or "he's rubbish we should get rid" etc. I've no doubts that if you went on a Manc forum they'd be saying the same thing, or a West Ham forum or whatever, so how real are peoples worries, and is it reasonable to ask how we got here?

Well firstly a couple of accepted givens (by almost everybody). You obviously need some goalie cover, you need four centre halves, four central midfielders and four strikers. You need credible cover for each position on the pitch, and probably a few kids thrown in. If you want to win the title, you might even need a couple of "options and possibility" players who you can chuck on. Maybe even a Luis garcia type who can find the bus keys under the seat and move it forward eight yards.

So where are we, being sensible?

Goalkeeper. We have goalie cover, I'm going to assume the Brazillian bloke is alright. Reina is also absolutely top class, so no worries.

Right Fullback. We have Johnson on the right who we have to assume is going to be excellent. Cover wise we don't have IMHO anybody credible. I knwo you could say "Degen" or "Darby", but I would counter whereas they may become realistic options, they aren't currently able to fill in if Johnson is out for six months.

Left Fullback. We have Aurelio who is pretty good when fit, along with Insua who is a good filler, and Dossena. I'd say we're Ok there, as long as one of the first two remains fit.

Centre backs. We have Carragher, Skyrtel and Agger. We need another one, pure and simple. No ifs and buts, you need four centre halves, and that doesn't include 18 year old kids.

Right midfielders. We have Kuyt :buttrock , along with Benayoun, Babel at a push, El Zahar and Gerrard. We're OK squad wise.

Left midfeilders. We have Riera, along with Benayoun and Babel. I'd say we're OK.

Central midfielders. We have Masherano, Lucas, the new bloke when he's fit, Gerrard if we move him, Plessis, Lee Peltier, John Ostemboor and GYBS. I'd say we are a bit light, particularly given the fact that they new bloke gets injured occasionally and the fact that it's very questionable whther or not Lucas is good enough.

The support striker slot. We have Gerrard. We could also use Benayoun there, or Kuyt  ??? I'd say we were very short, particularly given the impression that Gerrard isn't currently fully fit.

Main striker. We have Torres. We also have the option (or indeed the possibility) of using Egg Nog, Voronin, or Kuyt  :oh: I'd say we were light.

Now no doubt I've forgotten someone, but anyway that's broadly how it is. We need an absolute MINIMUM of a centre half and a striker/support striker.

IMHO the squad is very thin, is it anyones fault?
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Postby Bammo » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:19 pm

We have Kelly who is a good option for both Right Back and 4th CB.

Peltier and Otsemebor are both good enough for the starting XI :;):

We could do with buying someone of decent quality who can play both attacking mid and up front. Rumoured to be going for <£10m are Tuncay and Van der Vaart.
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Postby red37 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:22 pm

Otsemebor's at Norwich  ???
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Postby GYBS » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:23 pm

Will agree that we need 4 cbs mick but the only prob i have is we already have three established ones and it will be hard to keep 4 established cbs happy throughout the season without using that evil word of rotation - we did really well keeping holding of sami for so long and for me having a season long established cb pairing is key to a great defence - 05/06 it was sami and carra and we had the best defence record then 06/07 it was carra agger and once again up with the best , 07/08 we lost agger but sami stepped in then we got skittles and it was still solid but not as good as before and this season we need to find an established pair - for me thats agger and carra plus skittles as back up so that leaves the 4 spot - for me that can be filled with a young up and coming player or someone in the twilight of his years but not spending 10 mil plus on someone , either get a cheap one like distin or campbell and save the money for that back up striker/someone to play alongside torres
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Postby Bammo » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 pm

red37 wrote:Otsemebor's at Norwich  ???

But do you know where Peltier is? Without cheating :p
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Postby GYBS » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 pm

Bammo wrote:
red37 wrote:Otsemebor's at Norwich  ???

But do you know where Peltier is? Without cheating :p

is he still at yeovil ??
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Postby Bammo » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:29 pm

Nope, I shall reveal the answer in about 10 mins so the thread doesn't go too off track!
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Postby tubby » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:31 pm

Is this thread for real? You only had to look at our bench on the weekend to know the answer. Sure we have Riera injured but even last season if everyone was fit we would still be 'thin'. We do NOT have the same strength in depth as our rivals. Rafa should be allowed to build this depth, not have to carry on with this 1 in 1 out nonsense. We will probably improve our team but not the squad as a whole.

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Postby GYBS » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:34 pm

Bammo wrote:Nope, I shall reveal the answer in about 10 mins so the thread doesn't go too off track!

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Huddersfield ?? Bradford ?
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Postby bigmick » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:37 pm

red37 wrote:Otsemebor's at Norwich  ???

Feck me our problems are even deeper than I first thought  :veryangry
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:38 pm

I have read somewhere that Rafa not only has to sell before he can buy, but he also has to provide any funds for increases in contracts out of those sales. As we have given new contracts to a lot of players.........Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt etc etc, the money had to come out of the sales of Alonso and co.

If we still have money in the pot, I think it should have been spent it before now, if we haven't ..... well we will just have to make do and mend.

So maybe its not a case of what we need as much as what we can afford. :(
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Postby Greavesie » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:40 pm

put it this way, ayone who says it isn't thin need their heads examined
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:42 pm

s@int wrote:I have read somewhere that Rafa not only has to sell before he can buy, but he also has to provide any funds for increases in contracts out of those sales. As we have given new contracts to a lot of players.........Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt etc etc, the money had to come out of the sales of Alonso and co.

If we still have money in the pot, I think it should have been spent it before now, if we haven't ..... well we will just have to make do and mend.

So maybe its not a case of what we need as much as what we can afford. :(

that sounds very worrying if true,, beacause out squad is paper thin IMO, i think we need a Centre back and right back, a midfielder and a striker, in otherwise we gonna need a miracle to be able to afford these reinforcments.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:45 pm

I dont think the squad is thin in size but thin in quality in back up - namely in the attacking areas .
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