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[bigmick]

Why are we arsed with Spurs with the greatest respect? It's the same when people bang on about Chelsea and United, them. Try concentrating on what's happening with our club and let other clubs worry about us for a change.

Right now we're picking up results and at the end of the day that's all that matters.

It's a fair enough question I guess. The reason I brought Spurs into the equaltion, was not because I was massively "arsed" with them, but simply because they have a mass rotationalist manager and this is a thread about rotation. 

If the thread was about for instance Dutch strikers not adapting to the Premier League, I think it would be legitimate to broaden the discussion from Kuyt and Babel, to include Van Persie and Van Nistelroy. This would be the case regardless of the fact that they don't play for us.

Sometimes to fully understand a concept, you need to look beyond the boundaries of your own team. It would be ridiculous for example to try zonal marking and conclude it's rubbish without looking at other teams and considering whether or not the system works for them.

I will though certainly take your advice and try and concentrate on our club. If you're correct that "right now we are picking up results and that's all that matters", perhaps we should close the forum down until we lose a couple?

The other alternative of course if you don't wish to participate in a "broadened" discussion (which let me tell you most of them are after 48 pages) is to give it a miss.

The rotation thread and discussion has meandered on over many years, and my guess is it will continue to do so. This applies regardless of whether you choose to participate in it, or indeed whether or not you give approval to its content.

[pass_da_dutchie]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

as for Spurs, yes they rotate but they're rotating with (modric for huddleston or jenas for o'hara for example). their season hangs on the fitness of Ledley King for sake. also it's very good of you to pick the side who are bottom of the league to prove that rotation doesn't work. results are not determined by rotation, so get off your high horse about it and accept facts.

[ConnO'var]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

That one went over your head, lad. ....
It's called subtle sarcasm, boyyo.....   

[bigmick]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

as for Spurs, yes they rotate but they're rotating with (modric for huddleston or jenas for o'hara for example). their season hangs on the fitness of Ledley King for sake. also it's very good of you to pick the side who are bottom of the league to prove that rotation doesn't work. results are not determined by rotation, so get off your high horse about it and accept facts.

Have you met GYBS mate? I'll be taking the brick off the lid and you'll be in the bin with him if you carry on  Poor fella's probably bored out of his head in there by now.

[account deleted by request]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

as for Spurs, yes they rotate but they're rotating with (modric for huddleston or jenas for o'hara for example). their season hangs on the fitness of Ledley King for sake. also it's very good of you to pick the side who are bottom of the league to prove that rotation doesn't work. results are not determined by rotation, so get off your high horse about it and accept facts.

Have you met GYBS mate? I'll be taking the brick off the lid and you'll be in the bin with him if you carry on  Poor fella's probably bored out of his head in there by now.

pmsl 

[LFC2007]

Of course, if we look at the gross number of changes it says that Rafa's as mad as ever for chopping and changing: 41 changes over 10 matches! 

Which isn't all that dissimilar a ratio to the 75 changes in 15 games which was used as one of the primary arguments to support those who favoured a more consistent selection policy last season.

On another note, our good form in the final third of last season was - to my mind - down to the form of Torres and Gerrard, finding a system that suited them and which played to our strengths, and the fact that we simply had to improve at some point given our mid-season disappointments. Whether or not you replaced Kuyt with Pennant and Babel with Benayoun, or Riise with Aurelio or Finnan with Arbeloa, was secondary. We saw every one of our wide players perform very inconsistently in that period of good form.

So far this season, we've gone - in the main - with the one system and again we've seen players in wide areas perform very badly, up until recently, and ever since Riera arrived. Now we actually have a wide player in Riera who can nail down a slot on the left and who will (probably) perform far more consistently than any of our previous options, we're likely to see a more consistent selection policy in that position. Our performances as a team have also been inconsistent up until now though - a mix of very poor, poor, OK, and very good - but our big players haven't yet hit top form as they did in the final third of last season.

Essentially, it's very easy to link 'number of changes' with spells of good and bad form without actually analysing the potential reasons for that form, and concluding that 'we would've achieved 'x' but for 'x' number of changes'. In my view, the strongest link with good performances and not so good ones has been a balanced system - a system which suits the team, and not various concoctions which we've seen down the years. That, and the fact that our team most definitely has not been 'as good as any other in the league'.

[pass_da_dutchie]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

That one went over your head, lad. ....
It's called subtle sarcasm, boyyo.....   

who asked you to get involved? nobody. It was a simple discussion about BigMick's sillyness to bring Spurs into a discussion about our rotation policy. So next time "boyyo" keep your nose out pal. good fellow 

[LegBarnes]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

That one went over your head, lad. ....
It's called subtle sarcasm, boyyo.....   

who asked you to get involved? nobody. It was a simple discussion about BigMick's sillyness to bring Spurs into a discussion about our rotation policy. So next time "boyyo" keep your nose out pal. good fellow 

This is a forum any one has right to respond to any one comments its called debate or you not into free speech ? 

edit: also if you want privert chat I hear Reg is always around . 

[pass_da_dutchie]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

That one went over your head, lad. ....
It's called subtle sarcasm, boyyo.....   

who asked you to get involved? nobody. It was a simple discussion about BigMick's sillyness to bring Spurs into a discussion about our rotation policy. So next time "boyyo" keep your nose out pal. good fellow 

This is a forum any one has right to respond to any one comments its called debate or you not into free speech ? 

no i'm not into free speech. i am into everyone agreeing with what i say, so until you do, you can join the list of keeping your nose out. 

[account deleted by request]

I may as well save time and energy and just keep my nose out then, cos theres no way I agree mate

[maypaxvobiscum]

I may as well save time and energy and just keep my nose out then, cos theres no way I agree boyyo

same here 

[ConnO'var]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

That one went over your head, lad. ....
It's called subtle sarcasm, boyyo.....   

who asked you to get involved? nobody. It was a simple discussion about BigMick's sillyness to bring Spurs into a discussion about our rotation policy. So next time "boyyo" keep your nose out pal. good fellow 

Touchy aren't yer?
Chill dude.... it was in jest.... that's all.

[Sabre]

who asked you to get involved? nobody. It was a simple discussion about BigMick's sillyness to bring Spurs into a discussion about our rotation policy. So next time "boyyo" keep your nose out pal. good fellow 

Pass_da_dutchie, as you can see this thread is long as fúck, and it has covered rotation in Liverpool and rotation as a whole. At some point it was discussed it's a method it won't work in England never. And at some point I mentioned a new rotationist manager was in England so we could be able to check more instances of the same method.

So with all that context Bigmick brought the example of Juande struggling, so I think it's not sillyness nor obsession with other teams, but coherent with the debate.

Interesting post of LFC2007. 75 / 15 = 5, 41/10 = 4.1, I wouldn't say those ratios are light years away. And it remains to be seen if the difference is because injuries and olympics left Rafa less options or a "has seen the light". Anyhow that ratio difference doesn't seem to be as the difference between dark and light.

Raw numbers won't make Rafa's rotation right or wrong, results will. I honestly think that if results are good, Rafa's rotation will be sensible, and if we lose, people will even put in doubt when the manager says he hasn't played someone because injury risk -- it has happened.

[Judge]

so people are only happy when we're losing? there's no point having a forum open when we win? ah now it all makes sense why there's so many people looking to pick holes in our club. at least i know.

as for Spurs, yes they rotate but they're rotating with (modric for huddleston or jenas for o'hara for example). their season hangs on the fitness of Ledley King for sake. also it's very good of you to pick the side who are bottom of the league to prove that rotation doesn't work. results are not determined by rotation, so get off your high horse about it and accept facts.

Have you met GYBS mate? I'll be taking the brick off the lid and you'll be in the bin with him if you carry on  Poor fella's probably bored out of his head in there by now.

dole dossing muesli eaters

[stmichael]

Sack Wenger.

Arseanl win 6-0 and he makes 11 changes. What is that all about?