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[7_Kewell]

and replaced with a guy who has been sacked from his last two jobs and has been out of the game for 13 years? That's a massive gamble, because Roy wasn't going to send us down.

What have you based that on? We're only 4 points above the drop now, Hodgson had us in the bottom 3 for a few weeks earlier in the season and I suspect we would have also lost the last two games had Hodgson still been in the hot seat so your assertion that Hodgson "wouldn't have taken us down" and that it is somehow more likely near doesn't really hold up for me.

well that's where we will have to agree to disagree.

[lakes10]

now, maybe, people will face up to just how sh!te our team is instead of making prats of themslelves by insulting the manager and posting daft pictures.

Roy wasnt right for this club and you know it, stop goin on about it !!!!

and you have complete faith that Kenny will pull us through a relegation battle?  Because i don't!

Well you should do. Our home form is too good to get us relegated.

20 points at home this season (2 points per game). That matches Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham and Chelsea to a lesser extent.

Based on our current home form alone we should accumulate another 18 points.

For us to get relegated we would have to not win again away from home. IMO I cannot see us not winning another away game this season.

but you said the only reson that our away form was bad was down to roy?

fans seem to think that Kenny could come in and win all the games....never going to happen with this lot of players.

away games must start to be won, i dont think we can win all our home games with this lot.

[Ciggy]

so if we get beat at the weekend you should be the first persron on here to ask for him to be sack?

No he wouldnt be you however would, apart from sticking up for Roy you and others are probably fuming because you wont be able to say Kenny OUT !!!

[Scottbot]

Ok so kenny has not been able so far to lift the team when it comes to results, so if we get beat at the weekend you should be the first persron on here to ask for him to be sack?

the point is mate when it come to Roy he got the job as he was a firefighter manager, to try and do a lot with not a lot.

i dont think any of us said he was the right man for the job but at the time the club was in such a mess with the owners and what players we had the board knew he was right for the club, i just think it was a bit too much for him to fix in such a short space of time, even if kenny had been given the job right from the start i dont think our results would have been much better.

the players have not worked out for the last two managers, time to face facts that we need a lot of new players at this club, and yes you must ask why we need so many new players when over the last 6 years we have had 76 new players come into the club.

we need a new striker, 2 defenders......and going by last night a whole new midfield.

I "should be the first person to ask for him to get the sack?", don't really understand that one mate as I didn't make my mind up on Hodgson until mid-November so I won't be making knee-jerk reactions to Kenny's start either. We all know we need new players, I don't think anyone can deny that but our squad is still far far superior to the like of Blackpool, Wolves, Northampton, Wigan, and a 65-70% of the rest of the Premiership so we NEVER should have been in this position. Hodgson didn't fight the fire, he used the wrong bloody extiguisher and made it a ton worse. The form and confidence of our squad is absolutely wrecked. It wasn't like that before the season started. you remember how everything was rosy? Toores commits, Gerrard commits, we signed Joe Cole. Everyone happy. Well it's a bloody mess now but you seem to be suggesting it was pretty much inevitable no matter who was in the hot-seat but I disagree. Torres head didn't drop right now, he's just full of anger and frustraion and it's boiling over. That's what happens to top players at top clubs when things go wrong.

[metalhead]

Ok so kenny has not been able so far to lift the team when it comes to results, so if we get beat at the weekend you should be the first persron on here to ask for him to be sack?

the point is mate when it come to Roy he got the job as he was a firefighter manager, to try and do a lot with not a lot.

i dont think any of us said he was the right man for the job but at the time the club was in such a mess with the owners and what players we had the board knew he was right for the club, i just think it was a bit too much for him to fix in such a short space of time, even if kenny had been given the job right from the start i dont think our results would have been much better.

the players have not worked out for the last two managers, time to face facts that we need a lot of new players at this club, and yes you must ask why we need so many new players when over the last 6 years we have had 76 new players come into the club.

we need a new striker, 2 defenders......and going by last night a whole new midfield.

I "should be the first person to ask for him to get the sack?", don't really understand that one mate as I didn't make my mind up on Hodgson until mid-November so I won't be making knee-jerk reactions to Kenny's start either. We all know we need new players, I don't think anyone can deny that but our squad is still far far superior to the like of Blackpool, Wolves, Northampton, Wigan, and a 65-70% of the rest of the Premiership so we NEVER should have been in this position. Hodgson didn't fight the fire, he used the wrong bloody extiguisher and made it a ton worse. The form and confidence of our squad is absolutely wrecked. It wasn't like that before the season started. you remember how everything was rosy? Toores commits, Gerrard commits, we signed Joe Cole. Everyone happy. Well it's a bloody mess now but you seem to be suggesting it was pretty much inevitable no matter who was in the hot-seat but I disagree. Torres head didn't drop right now, he's just full of anger and frustraion and it's boiling over. That's what happens to top players at top clubs when things go wrong.

Good post, agree with it. I think Kenny will sort them out in a few games, he just knows what Liverpool is all about and he will translate that to the players for motivation.

[Thommo's perm]

It didnt take long for reality to hit did it?
After the elation of the return of the king comes the inevitable away defeat.
Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad. Whats that? It was Roys squad? Ok then this must be KK's squad? No, you say. Hes only just walked into the job. Fair enough, then how many games before it becomes KK's squad? On and on this ridiculous petty argument will go with people once again pointing the finger and nothing being proven.
One fact is that we are poor and have been for over 12 months. This is no sudden decline. It has been going on for at least 2 seasons and the blame game isnt going to solve anything.
Funny how Roy said he needed a magic wand to sort the mess out and KK says he has one in Torres. Hed better start waving it soon because the bad days of Roy and Benitez will look like a golden age if we dont start winning.

[Scottbot]

fans seem to think that Kenny could come in and win all the games....never going to happen with this lot of players.

I don't think so mate, it's more hope than expectation allied to an absolute belief that Hodgson was not the man for Liverpool Football Club.

[7_Kewell]

Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad. Whats that? It was Roys squad? Ok then this must be KK's squad? No, you say. Hes only just walked into the job.

[metalhead]

It didnt take long for reality to hit did it?
After the elation of the return of the king comes the inevitable away defeat.
Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad. Whats that? It was Roys squad? Ok then this must be KK's squad? No, you say. Hes only just walked into the job. Fair enough, then how many games before it becomes KK's squad? On and on this ridiculous petty argument will go with people once again pointing the finger and nothing being proven.
One fact is that we are poor and have been for over 12 months. This is no sudden decline. It has been going on for at least 2 seasons and the blame game isnt going to solve anything.
Funny how Roy said he needed a magic wand to sort the mess out and KK says he has one in Torres. Hed better start waving it soon because the bad days of Roy and Benitez will look like a golden age if we dont start winning.

I blame Rafa, Roy and G+H for our recent troubles.

[Thommo's perm]

It didnt take long for reality to hit did it?
After the elation of the return of the king comes the inevitable away defeat.
Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad. Whats that? It was Roys squad? Ok then this must be KK's squad? No, you say. Hes only just walked into the job. Fair enough, then how many games before it becomes KK's squad? On and on this ridiculous petty argument will go with people once again pointing the finger and nothing being proven.
One fact is that we are poor and have been for over 12 months. This is no sudden decline. It has been going on for at least 2 seasons and the blame game isnt going to solve anything.
Funny how Roy said he needed a magic wand to sort the mess out and KK says he has one in Torres. Hed better start waving it soon because the bad days of Roy and Benitez will look like a golden age if we dont start winning.

I blame Rafa, Roy and G+H for our recent troubles.

The players are free from blame then?

[Ciggy]

Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad.

Yeah you and others blamed Benitez for the whole time Roy was here and absolved Roy of any blame what so ever!!!!

[metalhead]

It didnt take long for reality to hit did it?
After the elation of the return of the king comes the inevitable away defeat.
Blame Roy? Ok, if you want to, but you must blame Benitez as well because Roy inherited his squad. Whats that? It was Roys squad? Ok then this must be KK's squad? No, you say. Hes only just walked into the job. Fair enough, then how many games before it becomes KK's squad? On and on this ridiculous petty argument will go with people once again pointing the finger and nothing being proven.
One fact is that we are poor and have been for over 12 months. This is no sudden decline. It has been going on for at least 2 seasons and the blame game isnt going to solve anything.
Funny how Roy said he needed a magic wand to sort the mess out and KK says he has one in Torres. Hed better start waving it soon because the bad days of Roy and Benitez will look like a golden age if we dont start winning.

I blame Rafa, Roy and G+H for our recent troubles.

The players are free from blame then?

I blame everyone to be honest

[Greavesie]

I dont get this whole 'he inherited Rafa's squad'. Some of the worst players this season have been the players Roy signed!! Miereles has been shocking lately, Poulsen and Koncheskey have been awful from day one. Lucas (the one who always got the blame) has comfortably outshone anyone in midfeild

[Scottbot]

Hodgson wasn't the right man for LFC, i accept that, but he wasn’t going to take us down either. I would have waited until we had lined up a long term replacement. Do it properly or not at all, that's my view.

My worry is that we're now in a downward spiral and we've taken a massive gamble by putting Kenny in charge.

It would have been a bigger gamble to keep Hodgson in the hot-seat. It was getting hotter by the minute and his position had become untenable. surely you can see that? The pressure had built to such a level it was never going to work. Yes Kenny has been out of the game for many years but it's football, how much do you think it's actually changed since he was at Newcastle? Things haven't changed on the training pitch, he's still got a team-talk to give and the games been full of foreign players for a good 15 years now so it's not like he hasn't dealt with them before. He certainly still sounds like a manager to me, I'm sure the players think so too.

[7_Kewell]

I blame everyone to be honest

I blame parry