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[supersub]

he was injured....

See my point now neil?

if recent injury records were the remit then Steven Gerrard would be on the summer hit list

[Greavesie]

he was injured....

See my point now neil?

if recent injury records were the remit then Steven Gerrard would be on the summer hit list

fair point but Agger's isn't a recent injury record is it?

I'm also torn on the Agger situation. I love the guy but he just doesn't play enough. He's played 92 league games in 5 and a half seasons. I'm afraid if he stays we'll never have a settled centre back pairing. I wish he could stay fit

[metalhead]

I'm not going to write off Agger, I don't think we should sell him because he is still a class player. Skrtel isn't good enough for top four or title aspirations and so is Kyriagkos.

[Kenny Kan]

he was injured....

See my point now neil?

if recent injury records were the remit then Steven Gerrard would be on the summer hit list

fair point but Agger's isn't a recent injury record is it?

I'm also torn on the Agger situation. I love the guy but he just doesn't play enough. He's played 92 league games in 5 and a half seasons. I'm afraid if he stays we'll never have a settled centre back pairing. I wish he could stay fit

Agreed.

[neil]

my glass is half full, even if he does continue to have an injury every 2 months(on international duty) I am still delighted to have someone come into the first 11 and virtually guarantee a clean sheet/victory, based on those 'primitive' stats (match facts). I'm sure he'll be retiring from international duty soon anyway.

[Sarge]

he was injured....

See my point now neil?

gerrard is constantly injured as well.

maybe u wanna get rid of him too?

[Ben Patrick]

I wouldnt sell Agger despite his injuries for a couple of reasons.
The first being he is obviously our best centre half, the difference Sunday when he came back in was there for all to see.
The second being, what would he actually fetch money wise ?
Not that much i bet, so for me what's the point ?

Keep him deffo.

[stmichael]

I wouldnt sell Agger despite his injuries for a couple of reasons.
The first being he is obviously our best centre half, the difference Sunday when he came back in was there for all to see.
The second being, what would he actually fetch money wise ?
Not that much i bet, so for me what's the point ?

Keep him deffo.

I agree.

Last 6 games without Agger: W1 D3 L2 F5 A6
Last 6 games with Agger: W6 D0 L0 F10 A0

You do the maths.

[neil]

good work sir

[cptrios]

Word is we'll get 14m from Juve for Aquilani. That'd be enough for a good CB (like the aforementioned Kjaer for example) or maybe even most of the way toward a star prospect like Hazard.

Just for sh@ts and giggles, here's a list of the Transfermarkt.co.uk values for the players we should be selling this summer:

Cole - 11.4m (yeah right. I'd be happy with 4 or 5)
Poulsen - 4.4m (more like "we'd be lucky to let him go on a free" IMO)
Soto - 2.6m (I wouldn't mind keeping him actually)
Jovanovic - 6m (Alright, I really don't know what these guys are smoking)
Ngog - 4.4m (Sounds about right)
Maxi - 8m (I really don't know. I'm sure he'd do better in other leagues)
Skrtel - 9.6m (I'm totally fine with keeping him. I think 6m would be a decent price, though.)
Insua - 5m (Reasonable I think.)
Reina - 20m (I really hope we can keep him, but if we can't, we'd better cash in. 20m is an absolute minimum.)

So, in a magical dream-world, we could see £70m coming in this summer. In a more realistic projection (including hopefully keeping Pepe and getting that 14m for Aquilani), it's entirely possible (if not necessarily probable) that we could push £45m. Considering the fact that NESV, after selling Torres and Babel, have spent a whopping £2m of their promised transfer chest, we could be looking at huge, huge investment in the squad.

Will it happen? A man can dream!

[lakes10]

this is who i would be left with

1. Jones
2. Johnson
4. Meireles
5. Agger
7. Suarez
8. Gerrard
9. Carroll
16. Kyrgiakos
17. Maxi
18. Kuyt
22. D Wilson
23. Carragher
25. Reina
26. Spearing
31. Sterling
32. Darby
33. Shelvey
34. Kelly
35. Coady
36. Irwin
37. Skrtel
38. Flanagan
39. Eccleston
40. Ayala
41. Hansen
45. Ince
47. Wisdom
49. Robinson

On Loan

- Roberts
- Saric
- Sokolik
- Thomas

[PabloMedina28]

STAY

1. Jones -       Good enough as back up
4. Meireles -    Quality will get better with better wingers
7. Suarez -      World Class
9. Carroll -       Young, English, gives us options and brings others into the game
12. Pacheco -   Quality, young and versatile, pointless to get rid without giving him a chance
22. D Wilson -   Quality, young and versatile could be the LB for a decade when he makes the cut
25. Reina -       Best keeper in the world
30. Suso -        Quality player, could become a legend and become a 40 million plus player
31. Sterling -    As Above
33. Shelvey -    Very dynamic, has it all when he finds his feet he could be the new Stevie G
34. Kelly -         Awesome talent, will become Liverpool Legend
35. Coady -      Scouser, young, versatile, leader could be a great player
38. Flanagan -   Scouser, young, very similar to Carra in his attitude could become a great 
                       squad player
40. Ayala  -      Very similar to Hyypia (not blessed with pace but has good positional skills),   
                      composed on the ball, Young, could become great squad player
43. Bouzanis -   3rd choice keeper, young and has potential
45. Ince -         English, young,fast skillful winger and could become a great quad player
47. Wisdom -    Young, english, powerhouse of a defender, leader, could be better then Kelly and lead 
                      the defense for a  decade49. Robinson -
49. Robinson -    Young, english, similar to Flangan with possible more potential could become agreat
                       squad player and maybe upsurp Wilson in the future
- Mavinga -       Similar to Ayala not in playing style but what we could get from him


Undecided (If NESV give us signicant funds id keep all these players, if we need to recoup money its a different story)

2. Johnson + Battle it out with Kelly for RB, Versatile and better CBs will bring out the best in him
                - Kelly is a more solid RB and younger, we could still command a high fee for him   
                  could help us improve weaker areas in the team
5. Agger    + One of the true quality players in the squad, world class when fit, gives our team a new   
                  dimension when he plays, would help new defenders coming through with his experience
                - Far too injury prone would still command a high fee, stability is what we need at the back
8. Gerrard  + The heartbeat of the team, a legend and deserves to retire with us
                - Wrong side of 30, becoming another injury prone player, need stability in the midfileld
                   would command a high fee still
18. Kuyt     + Heart like a lion and always up for the big games, great guy to have in the locer room
                - In his 30s, technically not good enough for the wing and is 3rd choice striker
21. Lucas   + Improved alot over the last 18 months and is still young, get character and does a job for
                   the team, good squad player
                - Still not the type of player who can control a game, doesnt score or get assists enough
Aquilani      + Quality player who is already on the books, looks to be over his injurys, xabiesque
                   passing and Kenny could breath new life into his Liverpool career
                - Jury still out on injurys and desire to play in premiership, would get a decent fee for him
- Insua      + Young (still not many LBs out thier as good as him at his age), already on the books,
                   gained more experience could a great little player for us as 1st or 2nd choice, with
                   better CB 2 allow him to attack more freely. Wouldnt need to be rushed into the
                   first team like last time
                - Maybe too leightwieght, Probally wants to leave now

GET RID

3. Konchesky - 
6. Aurelio -       Quality player when fit, never fit
10. J Cole -       Past it, old, on a high wage and we could still get a decent fee for him
14. Jovanovic - 
16. Kyrgiakos -   Too old and slow, prone to mistakes
17. Maxi -         
23. Carragher -   Too old retire as a legend
24. Ngog -         
26. Spearing -     Never gonna be good enough, deserves to be a first teamer somewhere
28. Poulsen -     
32. Darby -         Same as Spearing
36. Irwin -          As Above
37. Skrtel -         Brilliant on his day, liability most days
39. Eccleston -    Not good enough
41. Hansen -       Not good enough
42. Gulacsi -        Not good enough
44. Mendy -         Not good enough
46. Amoo -          Not good enough
48. Bruna -          Not good enough
- Degen -           
- El Zhar -           Not good enough
- Cooper -           Not good enough




On Loan

- Chamberlain - Dont know enough about him
- Kohlert - As Above
- Roberts - As Above
- Saric - As Above
- Sokolik - As Above
- Thomas -As above

Gulacsi not good enough.

Kenny has him second choice over Brad Jones, and Bouzanis cannot even make the reserves.

And? hes still not good enough to ever be first choice. I want a young back up keeper who we could actually see replacing Reina in the future.

I think Gulasci is better then Bouzanis just, the reason id sell him is that we could get a tidy fee for him.

[aCe']

Id definitely keep:
(in order of importance)

8. Gerrard
25. Reina
7. Suarez
9. Carroll
2. Johnson
4. Meireles
5. Agger
34. Kelly
22. D Wilson
23. Carragher
33. Shelvey

Other players we should be looking to sell but could possibly use as squad player if we are unable to sell them for whatever reason:
(in order of money they could bring in)

- Aquilani
18. Kuyt
21. Lucas
37. Skrtel
10. J Cole
12. Pacheco
- Insua
17. Maxi
42. Gulacsi

Everyone else who isnt a youngster and isnt on either list should be sold regardless of what is offered.

[TarnRed]

STAY

1. Jones -       Good enough as back up
4. Meireles -    Quality will get better with better wingers
7. Suarez -      World Class
9. Carroll -       Young, English, gives us options and brings others into the game
12. Pacheco -   Quality, young and versatile, pointless to get rid without giving him a chance
22. D Wilson -   Quality, young and versatile could be the LB for a decade when he makes the cut
25. Reina -       Best keeper in the world
30. Suso -        Quality player, could become a legend and become a 40 million plus player
31. Sterling -    As Above
33. Shelvey -    Very dynamic, has it all when he finds his feet he could be the new Stevie G
34. Kelly -         Awesome talent, will become Liverpool Legend
35. Coady -      Scouser, young, versatile, leader could be a great player
38. Flanagan -   Scouser, young, very similar to Carra in his attitude could become a great 
                       squad player
40. Ayala  -      Very similar to Hyypia (not blessed with pace but has good positional skills),   
                      composed on the ball, Young, could become great squad player
43. Bouzanis -   3rd choice keeper, young and has potential
45. Ince -         English, young,fast skillful winger and could become a great quad player
47. Wisdom -    Young, english, powerhouse of a defender, leader, could be better then Kelly and lead 
                      the defense for a  decade49. Robinson -
49. Robinson -    Young, english, similar to Flangan with possible more potential could become agreat
                       squad player and maybe upsurp Wilson in the future
- Mavinga -       Similar to Ayala not in playing style but what we could get from him


Undecided (If NESV give us signicant funds id keep all these players, if we need to recoup money its a different story)

2. Johnson + Battle it out with Kelly for RB, Versatile and better CBs will bring out the best in him
                - Kelly is a more solid RB and younger, we could still command a high fee for him   
                  could help us improve weaker areas in the team
5. Agger    + One of the true quality players in the squad, world class when fit, gives our team a new   
                  dimension when he plays, would help new defenders coming through with his experience
                - Far too injury prone would still command a high fee, stability is what we need at the back
8. Gerrard  + The heartbeat of the team, a legend and deserves to retire with us
                - Wrong side of 30, becoming another injury prone player, need stability in the midfileld
                   would command a high fee still
18. Kuyt     + Heart like a lion and always up for the big games, great guy to have in the locer room
                - In his 30s, technically not good enough for the wing and is 3rd choice striker
21. Lucas   + Improved alot over the last 18 months and is still young, get character and does a job for
                   the team, good squad player
                - Still not the type of player who can control a game, doesnt score or get assists enough
Aquilani      + Quality player who is already on the books, looks to be over his injurys, xabiesque
                   passing and Kenny could breath new life into his Liverpool career
                - Jury still out on injurys and desire to play in premiership, would get a decent fee for him
- Insua      + Young (still not many LBs out thier as good as him at his age), already on the books,
                   gained more experience could a great little player for us as 1st or 2nd choice, with
                   better CB 2 allow him to attack more freely. Wouldnt need to be rushed into the
                   first team like last time
                - Maybe too leightwieght, Probally wants to leave now

GET RID

3. Konchesky - 
6. Aurelio -       Quality player when fit, never fit
10. J Cole -       Past it, old, on a high wage and we could still get a decent fee for him
14. Jovanovic - 
16. Kyrgiakos -   Too old and slow, prone to mistakes
17. Maxi -         
23. Carragher -   Too old retire as a legend
24. Ngog -         
26. Spearing -     Never gonna be good enough, deserves to be a first teamer somewhere
28. Poulsen -     
32. Darby -         Same as Spearing
36. Irwin -          As Above
37. Skrtel -         Brilliant on his day, liability most days
39. Eccleston -    Not good enough
41. Hansen -       Not good enough
42. Gulacsi -        Not good enough
44. Mendy -         Not good enough
46. Amoo -          Not good enough
48. Bruna -          Not good enough
- Degen -           
- El Zhar -           Not good enough
- Cooper -           Not good enough




On Loan

- Chamberlain - Dont know enough about him
- Kohlert - As Above
- Roberts - As Above
- Saric - As Above
- Sokolik - As Above
- Thomas -As above

Gulacsi not good enough.

Kenny has him second choice over Brad Jones, and Bouzanis cannot even make the reserves.

And? hes still not good enough to ever be first choice. I want a young back up keeper who we could actually see replacing Reina in the future.

I think Gulasci is better then Bouzanis just, the reason id sell him is that we could get a tidy fee for him.

He will never be good enough, go on tell me, you watched every game he has featured in for the reserves, every single game he played at Tranmere whilst on loan, well Kenny must think he has something about him at the age of 20 years old because he's on the bench and wouldn't be there if Kenny thought otherwise.

Don't even bother replying to me because the outs on that list and the outs if we need to recoup money is something you do on some kind of FM game ffs, you would keep 5 players who have some first team experience and are over the age of 20 years old, thank god you aren't manager of this club.

P.S Insua is out of contract come June 30th he won't be here next season, reason why, because he is gash.

[kazza]

Liverpool's new director of football Damien Comolli claims the sale of Fernando Torres has benefited the club.

The Reds opted to cash-in on the Spanish striker during the January transfer window, selling him to Premier League rivals Chelsea for a British record £50million.

With it clear that the World Cup winner was growing increasingly disillusioned with life on Merseyside, it was felt that moving him on was the best option.

The money they brought in allowed them to snap up Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll as replacements, helping to increase their attacking options.

Comolli believes the deal benefited all concerned, with a cloud having lifted around Anfield following Torres' departure.

Relief
He said: "It's like there is a bright new sky with no cloud over our head from the day that happened, so it's been only positive.

"When you have someone who doesn't want to be here and you swap him for people who do, the atmosphere changes.

"Getting two players triggered the fact that we could sell one who didn't want to be here and get two who did.

"That was really a relief for those reasons."

Comolli was heavily involved in the Suarez and Carroll deals and, having taken on more responsibility at Anfield, admits he is bracing himself for a busy summer in the transfer market as Fenway Sports Group continue to fund new arrivals.


Targets
"The owners said from day one they want to improve things and turn things around quickly and I have said the same thing since I arrived, so I expect a busy summer," said the Frenchman, who was appointed by FSG in November.

"When we prepare for the next season it's difficult to say we work to the January transfer window. We work from summer to summer.

"When the window shuts in September we are preparing for the next summer window, not the one in January because, as people say, usually not much goes on in January.

"We proved that wrong but as soon as it shuts on 31st January, we are thinking about the summer and what we are going to do.

"We talk about different targets, about players we thought about in January but couldn't do and keep the scouting team working."

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