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[Fo Dne]

Christ even Bullard and Ashton are recieving call ups for england. (Not that I really rate Capello's ability to pick the best players).

Not being funny, i'd take them any day. There class back up. Only if they were fully fit though. Couldn't risk them sidelined for 3/4 season.

My point was I've mentioned those players before and been laughed at and told how clueless I was and how I didn't know what I was talking about.

Funny how both are now in the England squad.

[Gerrard30391]

Personally I think we should bite the bullet and either buy a creative midfielder who would compliment Masch or a genuine creative second striker/attacking midfielder, especially if like most seem to want, we play Gerrard on the right. Alonso and Masch while certainly adding to our defensive strength are as a pair never going to be the creative force we need. Their strengths lie in our half of the pitch, we need someone who's strengths lie further forward.

Keane isn't and never will be what I was hoping for as a creative second striker and should be considered as a out and out striker in my view.

I could see babel playing that role in behind the striker. I think if we could get him running at defenders it's only going to benefit Torres, because if defenders are worried about Babel running at them, which i would be, Torres is going to be forgotten momentarily which allows him to find space and score goals Happy Days....

Where as ATM  balls are being played to Torres either way to far over the top which means all the emphasis is on Torres to make it a good ball where as we could get balls lsid in for him if he has more space.

I don't know, when he was signed in Holland he was touted as the next Henry. We havn't seen any of that as yet though because he hasn't been played in areas he can show that. To play a right footed player on the left is never going to get 100% out of the player. So, after that, with Torres and Gerrard fit (not going to happen) i would play this....

                                    Reina

Arbeloa           Agger                    Carra           Dossena
('cause there's nobody else)


Gerrard           Masch                   Xabi              Riera
[Pennant/Kuyt]
                                                  Babel
                      Torres
                      [Keane]

[Players considered if Torres and Gerrard aren't fit]

Babel doesn't run at players, he runs into them.

Arsenal - Champions League - Penalty

Ring any bells?!?!?!?!?

Standard Liege - Cross - Goal - Did he not run past his man then turn back deliver the cross of all crosses.

We just aren't Brazil and that's your problem is it? Lighten up a bit lad, it's a game of football we're all not happy with this or that but the world isn't going to end on it.

[GYBS]

being picked for england doesnt make them good enough or great players or players that will improve us - ashton is decent (wel was before injury) but not done much since and still gots to prove and bullard as a decent prem footballe and perfect for a mid table club . decent players just not good enough for a top 4 club imo.

[Gerrard30391]

being picked for england doesnt make them good enough or great players or players that will improve us - ashton is decent (wel was before injury) but not done much since and still gots to prove and bullard as a decent prem footballe and perfect for a mid table club . decent players just not good enough for a top 4 club imo.

Not as back up for times like we have ahead. i.e. Gerrad and Torres injured?

[GYBS]

being picked for england doesnt make them good enough or great players or players that will improve us - ashton is decent (wel was before injury) but not done much since and still gots to prove and bullard as a decent prem footballe and perfect for a mid table club . decent players just not good enough for a top 4 club imo.

Not as back up for times like we have ahead. i.e. Gerrad and Torres injured?

maybe ashton but not bullard - we have lucas,xabi,masher , spearing and plessis as back up . up front we have keane now ,ngog,babel,kuyt,then the youngsters nemth and pacheeco

[stmichael]

Funny how our biggest win last season came when Gerrard didn't play, we had width and Alonso and Mascherno played centrally.

Yeah, there wasnt a problem with playing 2 holding midfielders, it worked, we had some great results and strung plenty of wins together. I'm just baffled why we didnt build on a winning formula.

I think we could have tweaked the effectiveness of the 2 holding midfielder shape if we had sold Alonso and brought in a player more comfortable carrying the ball forward but the big fee signing of Keane does seem to signal or require either a change in formation/shape. I just don't see that we have the other personnel required to play in the alternative shape accommodating Keane and Gerrard and a pair of deep central midfielders.

[GYBS]

the signing of keane could well be our downfall by us having to change formation to suit him . tam should be built around torres,gerrard and masher - all players who flurished in the 4-2-3-1 we played last season - why change it

[dawson99]

Christ even Bullard and Ashton are recieving call ups for england. (Not that I really rate Capello's ability to pick the best players).

Not being funny, i'd take them any day. There class back up. Only if they were fully fit though. Couldn't risk them sidelined for 3/4 season.

My point was I've mentioned those players before and been laughed at and told how clueless I was and how I didn't know what I was talking about.

Funny how both are now in the England squad.

only in the england squad as everyone else is injured. bullard is a decent player but nowhere near what we need and i still wouldnt take ashton.

we got the squad now i think, but rafa just plays too many out of position and doestn really seem to know how to best play the players, is there somethng that all of us are missing when we see we need width?

oh and ps - heskey was in the england squad, should we get him too?

[66-1112520797]

On Saints last point about Gerrard I think the sensible option is to put Gerrard back out right and leave him there!Of course a lot of this depends on Riera bringing quality to the left,if he can IMO this is the most balanced MF we have

             Gerrard  Alonso Masch  Riera

Of course a lot depends if as I said Riera can perform and also Alonso regaining his form of old!If they can I reckon that should be our MF in most games!

Mark my words the same people advocating playing that midfield quartet now, will be screaming blue murder three months down the track.

Great idea lets play two defensive players in front of two center halves.

What happens further up the the field attacking wise will be something similar to what we saw at Villa park. NOTHING !

Oh yeah, thats rediculous isn't it because we only have 4 attacking players infront of them...

Its ok if you have a 4-2-3-1 though with them to in there because... oh wait, we'll still have 4 players infront of them.



Funny how our biggest win last season came when Gerrard didn't play, we had width and Alonso and Mascherno played centrally.

Funny how we again showed feck all with them in the midfield at Villa on Sunday. 

Stu I simply dont agree with you on the matter and thats all there is to it, the way I see it fella your well wrong in this instance.

[Effes]

I think the final straw is after the MAN **** Match .... that's depend how we play and the result of the match .... Maybe the force be with you , RAFA ....

Can anyone decipher this?

[Fo Dne]

Personally I think we should bite the bullet and either buy a creative midfielder who would compliment Masch or a genuine creative second striker/attacking midfielder, especially if like most seem to want, we play Gerrard on the right. Alonso and Masch while certainly adding to our defensive strength are as a pair never going to be the creative force we need. Their strengths lie in our half of the pitch, we need someone who's strengths lie further forward.

Keane isn't and never will be what I was hoping for as a creative second striker and should be considered as a out and out striker in my view.

I could see babel playing that role in behind the striker. I think if we could get him running at defenders it's only going to benefit Torres, because if defenders are worried about Babel running at them, which i would be, Torres is going to be forgotten momentarily which allows him to find space and score goals Happy Days....

Where as ATM  balls are being played to Torres either way to far over the top which means all the emphasis is on Torres to make it a good ball where as we could get balls lsid in for him if he has more space.

I don't know, when he was signed in Holland he was touted as the next Henry. We havn't seen any of that as yet though because he hasn't been played in areas he can show that. To play a right footed player on the left is never going to get 100% out of the player. So, after that, with Torres and Gerrard fit (not going to happen) i would play this....

                                    Reina

Arbeloa           Agger                    Carra           Dossena
('cause there's nobody else)


Gerrard           Masch                   Xabi              Riera
[Pennant/Kuyt]
                                                  Babel
                      Torres
                      [Keane]

[Players considered if Torres and Gerrard aren't fit]

Babel doesn't run at players, he runs into them.

Arsenal - Champions League - Penalty

Ring any bells?!?!?!?!?

Standard Liege - Cross - Goal - Did he not run past his man then turn back deliver the cross of all crosses.

We just aren't Brazil and that's your problem is it? Lighten up a bit lad, it's a game of football we're all not happy with this or that but the world isn't going to end on it.

Oh yeah, forgot about those two incidents in 40 odd games.

How silly of me.

[Fo Dne]

being picked for england doesnt make them good enough or great players or players that will improve us - ashton is decent (wel was before injury) but not done much since and still gots to prove and bullard as a decent prem footballe and perfect for a mid table club . decent players just not good enough for a top 4 club imo.

Don't even start ya tit.

Bullard and Lucas, theres not even a comparrison... the gulf in class in Bullard's favour is embarressing.

As for Asthon whats he gotta do? Score against the better sides? Oh wait no, he's done that... get in the england squad? Oh wait no, done that too, West Ham's best player every week... oh no wait he does that aswell...

Go an ask the West Ham fans how good he is lad.

[maypaxvobiscum]

I think the final straw is after the MAN **** Match .... that's depend how we play and the result of the match .... Maybe the force be with you , RAFA ....

Can anyone decipher this?

[Fo Dne]

On Saints last point about Gerrard I think the sensible option is to put Gerrard back out right and leave him there!Of course a lot of this depends on Riera bringing quality to the left,if he can IMO this is the most balanced MF we have

             Gerrard  Alonso Masch  Riera

Of course a lot depends if as I said Riera can perform and also Alonso regaining his form of old!If they can I reckon that should be our MF in most games!

Mark my words the same people advocating playing that midfield quartet now, will be screaming blue murder three months down the track.

Great idea lets play two defensive players in front of two center halves.

What happens further up the the field attacking wise will be something similar to what we saw at Villa park. NOTHING !

Oh yeah, thats rediculous isn't it because we only have 4 attacking players infront of them...

Its ok if you have a 4-2-3-1 though with them to in there because... oh wait, we'll still have 4 players infront of them.



Funny how our biggest win last season came when Gerrard didn't play, we had width and Alonso and Mascherno played centrally.

Funny how we again showed feck all with them in the midfield at Villa on Sunday. 

Stu I simply dont agree with you on the matter and thats all there is to it, the way I see it fella your well wrong in this instance.

Mascherano didn't have a kick for 30 minutes before he started playing. Lucas didn't do a thing and offered nothing what so ever.

Did you go to the game?

Did you see how poor the full backs were and everytime Alonso had the ball he had NOWHERE to pass to? Whats the point in having a player with passing and vision when NO-ONE wants the ball.

Its a team game lad, not that you understand that. I really can't be bothered explaining to you the importance of a team rather than an individual. Its frustrating that you don't understand that its a team game and parts have to click to make others work.

[heimdall]

The problem as I see it is that we still have far too many average players who get automaticallty picked by Rafa instead of trying out some of the youngsters like Wenger has the guts to do. I just don't see the point of playing Lucas or Kuyt, I never have and never will, they just aren't good enough. I mean how bad does Kuyt have to play to be dropped from the starting 11, it's bloody embarassing and opposition managers must be similing every time they see Kuyt on the team sheet because they know it's one less player to worry about and you can add Lucas to that list as well! If we have a winger in pennant why not bloody play him instead of playing, and I use this word in the loosest sense, a striker in that position?